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New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« on: September 15, 2010, 08:05:44 AM »
So, everybody knew it was coming, we all pretty much knew what to expect, but Nikon are still making us gasp.  And not always in a good way.

I've spent < 3 mins on DPReview.  Here are some knee jerk reactions.

200 f2  Interesting one.  Very specialist lens.  Not sure I remember a big call for a new one.  The old one is allegedly awesome.  To replace awesome with probably more awesome they want over 5K.  You can buy the current one for just under £3K (it used to sell for about £2,400) so their pricing seems a little bullish.  Alright, they are taking the leak.  £5K for a 200mm prime?  Hasselblad want just over £3K for their 300 which will give a similar look.  The Hassy one is n-i-i-i-i-i-c-e.  The Nikon is 2 THOUSAND pounds more.

D7000  Looks alright.  Pretty much a worthy replacement for the D90.  I'm so glad they have saved us from the terror of shorting batteries by redesigning them so you have to pay more.  I don't know if anybody has ever really managed to short a battery in their pocket but I think it's only right that everybody should pay a tax on their stupidity if they have.   ::)  Oh and twin SD slots?  TWIN SD slots?  Seriously, I'd rather have a single CF.

SB700 Kind of makes sense.  New interface looks good.  But that means we now have 4 totally different interfaces for Nikon speedlights.  Triffic.  Another day's training for an assistant and another thing to get wrong when you're trying to rig CLS at speed.  It seems wrong to complain about what is probably a better control system.  But I hate change.... :)

35 / 1.4 I'll bet Flickr is seething about this.  It's spot on what I expected including the healthy price tag.  If you "need" it you'll pay.  And Nikon know this.  It had just better focus faster than the 50....


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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 08:21:56 AM »
Looks like Nikon are starting a round of upping their mega pixel anti, god knows what the D300s will have under its bonnet! :)

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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 09:22:43 AM »
The Nikon MP needed to be upped a little bit - the 16mp seems about the right amount.
My next body will probably be a lower mp configuration, though it is likely to be Canon  ;)

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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 04:05:49 PM »
Meh seems they are just replacing the old VR with the VR II, like on the 200-400 and 70-200, then upping the price a big amount...

Nothing on the newish P7000 then?
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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 04:59:35 PM »
Meh seems they are just replacing the old VR with the VR II, like on the 200-400 and 70-200, then upping the price a big amount...

Nothing on the newish P7000 then?

According to Camera Price buster, the older 70-200mm F2.8 VR is £1,598.99 and the new 70-200mm F2.8 VR II is £1,599.00. I don't think a penny is much of a price hike.  8)

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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 05:10:08 PM »
According to Camera Price buster, the older 70-200mm F2.8 VR is £1,598.99 and the new 70-200mm F2.8 VR II is £1,599.00. I don't think a penny is much of a price hike.  8)

Probably because the v1 has been discontinued.  It's only available in a few places and they aren't the really cheap ones.

IIRC it was about £1,350 when the mk2 was announced.

@Craig - there's also nano coating on the new lenses.  Nobody really knows what that is.  But we all know it costs money.  I believe they harvest it from pixies.
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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 08:26:13 PM »
The lens upgrades sound like they've looked at the same marketing book as Canon!

And the same price theory!

Oh, well.
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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 02:16:54 AM »
According to Camera Price buster, the older 70-200mm F2.8 VR is £1,598.99 and the new 70-200mm F2.8 VR II is £1,599.00. I don't think a penny is much of a price hike.  8)

tbh i did think that that lens was one of few that didn't have a big price gap...

@Craig - there's also nano coating on the new lenses.  Nobody really knows what that is.  But we all know it costs money.  I believe they harvest it from pixies.

I believe it is to reduce flare and reflections ?
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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 06:30:38 AM »
According to Camera Price buster, the older 70-200mm F2.8 VR is £1,598.99 and the new 70-200mm F2.8 VR II is £1,599.00. I don't think a penny is much of a price hike.  8)

tbh i did think that that lens was one of few that didn't have a big price gap...

@Craig - there's also nano coating on the new lenses.  Nobody really knows what that is.  But we all know it costs money.  I believe they harvest it from pixies.

I believe it is to reduce flare and reflections ?
Well yes, thats what coatings are supposed to do

       We in the ohpthalmic lens industry tend to refer to them as AR coats (Anti Reflection).The (very) basic principle is that the coating is a 1/4 wavelength thick and therefore creates a secondary reflection which is 1/2 wavelenght out of sync with the first, this creates an interference and the two reflections cancel each other out.
      Another criteria to be complied with is that the coating material should have a refractive index which is the square root of the index of the material to which it is applied.
     Of course a wavelength only relates to one "color" and so multiple coatings have to be applied in an attempt to cover the whole visible spectrum. The fact that they are not completly succesful is evidenced by the fact that you see a purpley (somtimes greeny) reflex off the surface of the lens, these are the wavelengths which the coating is failing to cancel out.
    Wavelengths are measured in Nanometres, hence Nano Coat! So there's nothing particularly magical about Nikons "Nano Coat", it's just their version.
    Jonathan is correct though, they are harvested by pixies......by moonlight.....naked!
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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 11:47:55 PM »
SB700 .......  Another day's training for an assistant ...

You're kidding? A day's training for a new control interface?

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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 02:18:57 PM »
SB700 .......  Another day's training for an assistant ...

You're kidding? A day's training for a new control interface?

Well, not really.  But TBH nobody has ever figured out the 3 separate interfaces I currently use plus the big lights.
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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 10:52:44 PM »
I find the SB600 interface to be the most annoying. The SB900 seems to have it about right.

As regards SD cards for the D7000, it's not really aimed at professionals. Most PCs have an SD slot, and there are fewer pins to damage. I think the two slots relate to the fact that video gobbles up memory pretty quickly........

I agree that the D7000 brings this Nikon series up to date, but I don't think it's radical enough to replace my D90 with. Not enough improvement in high ISO.

As regards video, it's strange how Nikon dropped the ball after being the innovator, but they've caught up now with constant AF-F.

I notice that it has the external AI coupling pin. It can meter for aperture priority auto and manual. Great for using old glass from the last 30 years! A lot of camera magazines predicted that the internal AF motor would be removed, but it seems that Nikon have improved their compatibility issues.


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Re: New Nikons (with ironic comments)
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2010, 07:44:43 AM »
I find the SB600 interface to be the most annoying. The SB900 seems to have it about right.

Except for the channel setting.  Can never remember how to get to that.

It wouldn't matter but apparently my bag knows how to change it all by itself.

I actually like the slider controls on the SB700.
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