Adobe Creative Cloud

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I'm adverse to anything Cloudish. That's why I bought Lightroom 4. And Elements 11. I'm waiting for someone to discover that somewhere in the licence agreement you've given up your copyright, the deed to your home and any inheritance you've got coming. Ever since '08 and the big crash I've come to distrust all thing corporate. Adobe is a U.S. company and it seems that lying cheating and stealing has become their new business model.

My son uses PSP or whatever it's called now and he produces some very fine images. (better than me, but don't tell him)

[Hinfrance]

Can one of you full photoshop owners who have Bridge explain to me what is the point of Bridge? What does it do that LR doesn't, and why it is that when I search my images folder with 'search all subfolders' ticked it only returns one result from the folder I was looking at yesterday?

Yep, I trying out the CC thing. Photoshop CC crashed my PC so badly I didn't even get a BSOD, it just stopped! Not looking too promising overall at the moment.

[ABERS]

Howard you may find this useful

http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tools-tips/top-10-reasons-you-should-be-using-adobe-bridge/

Then again you might not.

I only seem to use Bridge when I want to get two or more images on the PS screen, for combination of the images or just to extract one part to paste on to another.

Bridges also stores all your RAW images so if you want to rework or produce a different effect from scratch, whilst retaining an image that you have deemed satisfactory, you can start again with that RAW image. I expect that there are other simple ways of achieving this but it's the way I've taught myself.

[Paul Montgomery]

My information may be a bit off, but my point was spot on - once you got the machine in (whether tabulating or mainframe) you were then hooked and had to cough up what ever IBM considered to be reasonable, or lose every aspect of your work up to that point.

Cloud computing seems as thogh it is heading that way - and i find that very worrying. 

I wonder if this is going to signal a turning point for the likes of gimp and any other parts of the gnu foundation? I'm sure Adobe et al have done their research, but there are a significant number of people who want to buy, not hire software...

[Oldboy]

My information may be a bit off, but my point was spot on - once you got the machine in (whether tabulating or mainframe) you were then hooked and had to cough up what ever IBM considered to be reasonable, or lose every aspect of your work up to that point.

Cloud computing seems as thogh it is heading that way - and i find that very worrying. 

I wonder if this is going to signal a turning point for the likes of gimp and any other parts of the gnu foundation? I'm sure Adobe et al have done their research, but there are a significant number of people who want to buy, not hire software...

You can't buy software but only a licence to use it. The software always belongs to the company/original producer. Check the small print. 

[Hinfrance]

OB, when people say 'buy' software they mean buy a perpetual licence, which like a long leasehold is for all practical intents and purposes 'owning' the underlying asset. Many of the licences even confer on the licencee the right to sell the licence on (Adobe's do, for example). A perpetual licence is a long way from monthly rental with a 30 day expiry.

Meanwhile, thanks Alan for the Bridge tutorial link. I would try some of that stuff, but Bridge has had a little egg timer going in the corner of it for more than 4 hours now, saying that it is building thumbnails. It did that yesterday too. Frankly it looks completely superfluous. As for keeping original RAW files, I simply create a virtual copy in Lightroom or Aftershot as the first stage in editing a RAW, so th original is always next to the edited version in the catalogs anyway.

[Andrew]

Can one of you full photoshop owners who have Bridge explain to me what is the point of Bridge? What does it do that LR doesn't, and why it is that when I search my images folder with 'search all subfolders' ticked it only returns one result from the folder I was looking at yesterday?

Bridge was the Adobe precursor to LR. they still give it to light PS owners to run ACR and provide some sort of cataloguing facility.
Under their new cloud set up, they do PS & LR as a package...

[Hinfrance]

Can one of you full photoshop owners who have Bridge explain to me what is the point of Bridge? What does it do that LR doesn't, and why it is that when I search my images folder with 'search all subfolders' ticked it only returns one result from the folder I was looking at yesterday?

Bridge was the Adobe precursor to LR. they still give it to light PS owners to run ACR and provide some sort of cataloguing facility.
Under their new cloud set up, they do PS & LR as a package...

. . .  and the little egg timer is still spinning away . . .

Later, much later . .  after having started at just before 8:00 am this morning it finally said it was ready to be used about 10 minutes ago. That's 15:50. So, more than 7 hours just to get ready. I then searched for 'guitar' which with the same folders in Lightroom returns 179 matches. Bridge returned just 70. Search of my wife's first name, Lightroom 1117 matches, Bridge 783. Conclusion, Bridge is a waste of time and disk space.

[ABERS]

Just a couple of questions Howard.

How many images have you uploaded into Bridge and how many images are on L/r?

When you've finished working in L/R develop do you always export the final image back to it's original folder or a designated folder, if you don't there will always a discrepancy between L/r and Bridge as far as numbers are concerned.

Been working with mini Bridge this pm, no bother at all.

[Hinfrance]

Alan, I can't actually answer question 1. Every time I open Bridge it starts 'building criteria' from scratch. With some 49k images that takes it more than 7 hours. And I can't get Bridge to look at all my image files in one go, even though they are all in subdirectories under one master directory.

Question 2 is easy. The virtual copies and any exported to Photoshop or Photoplus edits are stored in the same folder as the source image.

Well, I'm glad it works for you, so keep on with as it is part of your workflow    For me, it's just not worth the bother.

[Hinfrance]

Still toying with signing up, because I would so like to have Photoshop, but this looks like the dangerous bit of the agreement to me:

Renewal
After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your contract based on the current price of the offering.
Cancellation
We'd hate to see you go, but if you cancel within the first 30 days starting from your contract date, we'll give you a full refund. Otherwise, you'll be billed 50% of your remaining contract obligation for the cancellation or removal of seats. If you ever need to cancel, just call Customer Support

To my way of thinking that means that if they jack the price at renewal up to the original high levels you won't be able to get out of it without paying half a year's higher rental. So, much as I would really really like it I cannot commit to a vague open ended contract like this. I could cry. 

[WillyP]

Anyway you look at it, there are an awful lot of people unhappy with Adobe right now. Good time for a competitor to step in, if one had a comparable product market ready.

[Hinfrance]

Anyway you look at it, there are an awful lot of people unhappy with Adobe right now. Good time for a competitor to step in, if one had a comparable product market ready.

No-one does though, at least not to really rival photoshop. I've decided to bite the bullet and sign up - I'm going to keep an eye on the forums and see what transpires. Couldn't access Adobe France so had to use a credit card with a UK address on it - useful to keep one of those for emergencies. On sign up the conditions were slightly different in that they said that they would notify of any change in price before renewal so that you could cancel then. That makes it more acceptable to me. I won't put anything in LR5 just in case

[oggalily]

Out of curiosity, how are you getting on with Creative Cloud, Howard?  Having moved to Mac I have discovered that I can't transfer my CS5 license .   I could move to Cloud or "downgrade" to Elements, haven't decided what to do yet.

[Hinfrance]

Hi Ogga - well I haven't used LR5, as I said earlier, because I don't want to find myself in the position where my catalogues are useless. LR never has been backwards compatible.

As for Photoshop CC - all I can say is it does what it says on the tin. Unlike jinky I have had no issues with Nik not working, but I did have some plugins in Elements that won't work with PS CC, again because it is not backwards compatible with 8bf or even 16bf files from CS6 backwards. All my Topaz stuff upgraded and installed to work with it flawlessly too. It works really quickly on my PC and now they have gone back to a darker default skin it looks better IMO too. I don't use bridge or mini bridge, just LR4.

I have to admit to being partly driven to it because of the changes they made to the Elements interface between versions 9 and 11, and the fact that Elements still, after all these years, doesn't have a curves adjustment layer option.

I thought that the Adobe licences were transferable between Mac/PC, so what's going on?