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Title: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Geoff on May 26, 2014, 03:24:30 PM
I am going to build a new pc, it will be built in a thermaltake tower, I would like something
that is very fast, with excellent graphics tv built in option , It will ideally running win 8.1
and have plenty of usb's also a decent card reader.

has anybody any suggestions thanks Geoff
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: kerbside on May 26, 2014, 04:12:43 PM
Personal choice I would build and use windows 7. The guy that builds our works ones recons that 8
&  8.1 are an unstable base to build on, just what I have been told as I do not know that much about operating systems. Sure someone will come along and shoot me down but hey ho.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Oldboy on May 26, 2014, 04:46:36 PM
Personal choice I would build and use windows 7. The guy that builds our works ones recons that 8
&  8.1 are an unstable base to build on, just what I have been told as I do not know that much about operating systems. Sure someone will come along and shoot me down but hey ho.

No, you are quite correct. Windows has a habit of producing rubbish software between great versions. WindowsXP great, Vista rubbish, Windows 7 great but Windows 8 rubbish. It's always been like that from version 1, except for Dos 4 and 5 which were both rubbish.  :o
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Andrew on May 26, 2014, 07:51:25 PM
DOS 6.22 was pretty much spot on - though wasn't versions 1-3 when it was still under the of Digital Research pre - IBM deal?

As for the Windows version - wouldn't touch 8 or 8.1 with a barge pole.

MS is trying to make a single platform for all its devices in the same way that they think Apple has. But Apple haven't - they run 2 different systems - Mac OSX for desktops etc, and iOS for portable platforms.

Win 7 64bit Pro will give you more than enough control and power over what you have.

What you don't say is what your budget is. Do you want a single monitor system or dual monitor system?

That aside, I would opt for something that can handle 64gb RAM even if you don't start out with it.
Video Card should have 2gb on board video RAM.
An 8 core processor maybe?

Hard drive option - current thinking is SSD for a boot drive with a couple of 4gb internal that are mirrored.

As its Windows, you'll need an optical drive as well.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: donoreo on May 26, 2014, 09:08:21 PM
Personal choice I would build and use windows 7. The guy that builds our works ones recons that 8
&  8.1 are an unstable base to build on, just what I have been told as I do not know that much about operating systems. Sure someone will come along and shoot me down but hey ho.

No, you are quite correct. Windows has a habit of producing rubbish software between great versions. WindowsXP great, Vista rubbish, Windows 7 great but Windows 8 rubbish. It's always been like that from version 1, except for Dos 4 and 5 which were both rubbish.  :o
DOS 5 was one of the good ones.  Many went from DOS 3.22 (a good one) to 5. 
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Oldboy on May 26, 2014, 09:17:59 PM
Personal choice I would build and use windows 7. The guy that builds our works ones recons that 8
&  8.1 are an unstable base to build on, just what I have been told as I do not know that much about operating systems. Sure someone will come along and shoot me down but hey ho.

No, you are quite correct. Windows has a habit of producing rubbish software between great versions. WindowsXP great, Vista rubbish, Windows 7 great but Windows 8 rubbish. It's always been like that from version 1, except for Dos 4 and 5 which were both rubbish.  :o
DOS 5 was one of the good ones.  Many went from DOS 3.22 (a good one) to 5.

If memory serves correctly then Dos 5 only corrected what didn't work in Dos 4.  ???
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Andrew on May 27, 2014, 10:04:46 AM
well, looking at your proposed specs, you are way ahead of anything I was thinking of.

I'm clearly behind on pc technology, though I've always favoured the Asus M/B's.

If it will work - go for it...
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Hinfrance on May 27, 2014, 01:24:43 PM
Having just had to replace an ASUS component - the graphics card, I'm a bit wary of ASUS. I replaced it with a Geforce GTX 660 which is miles better - so I would definitely endorse the Nvidia choice, especially if you also plan to run a DAW - its system footprint is negligible (unlike the ASUS, which was huge).

My PC, sans monitors but including the Windows 7 system builder OS, came to just under £750. It's as follows:

Gigabyte MB 970A-DS3, 3xUSB 3 and 6 USB 2, SATA 3 and Dual BIOS
AMD FX8350 8 core 4ghz processor
Some kind of whizzy CPU cooler I can't remember the make of - not liquid cooled, but lots of copper pipes and fins . . .
16GB RAM
Geforce GTX 660 with 2GB onboard
PS is Corsair 750
Couple of DVD writers
Card Reader
Case has 3 super quiet fans
TP-Link dual aerial 300mbps wifi card
No SSD, I started with a 2tb Western Digital drive and added another 3tb later (less than £80 if memory serves). I don't need a fast boot time, 40 seconds is plenty quick enough me - the kettle can't even boil in that time. Everything comes out on the experience index as 8, except the spinning disks which come out at 6 - like I care :)

One thing I forgot to mention - the physical dimensions of the Geforce card. It is BIG, or rather LONG. So you will need a full size tower case to fit it in.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: donoreo on May 27, 2014, 01:35:22 PM
Personal choice I would build and use windows 7. The guy that builds our works ones recons that 8
&  8.1 are an unstable base to build on, just what I have been told as I do not know that much about operating systems. Sure someone will come along and shoot me down but hey ho.

No, you are quite correct. Windows has a habit of producing rubbish software between great versions. WindowsXP great, Vista rubbish, Windows 7 great but Windows 8 rubbish. It's always been like that from version 1, except for Dos 4 and 5 which were both rubbish.  :o
DOS 5 was one of the good ones.  Many went from DOS 3.22 (a good one) to 5.

If memory serves correctly then Dos 5 only corrected what didn't work in Dos 4.  ???
DOS 4 was the beta for DOS 5.  :)
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Hinfrance on May 27, 2014, 01:38:05 PM
If it's only using 3gb that is probably because you are running an older 32bit version of windows. Vista could only address 3.3 gb of RAM, so it was pointless having more. Or your motherboard BIOS might not support the additional memory. Something like that . . .
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: 2Beers on May 27, 2014, 02:36:24 PM
I would think for Photo Editing the more ram(memory) the better I currently run with 12 Gb but am thinking of adding more to give me 16Gb
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Andrew on May 27, 2014, 02:54:11 PM
I would think for Photo Editing the more ram(memory) the better I currently run with 12 Gb but am thinking of adding more to give me 16Gb

that used to be the case - but I know with Lightroom, Adobe changed what parts of the computer are used - and I suspect it was also the same with Photoshop.

The change came around because it was found the Adobe stuff was not releasing resources (RAM, Virtual Memory etc) when an image was closed after you had finished working with it.
Do not remember the details, it only happened to me with LR3.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: kerbside on May 27, 2014, 03:53:43 PM
When I had to make the choice I went to Apple Mac, yeh, ok not every ones cup of tea but to be honest No troubles what so ever
( that comment has just killed my comp: )
Too many viruses and crap with any Microsoft stuff nowadays, then again its your choice at the end of the day. :)
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Hinfrance on May 27, 2014, 04:55:52 PM
When I had to make the choice I went to Apple Mac, yeh, ok not every ones cup of tea but to be honest No troubles what so ever
( that comment has just killed my comp: )
Too many viruses and crap with any Microsoft stuff nowadays, then again its your choice at the end of the day. :)

All right then, talking about putting the hex on something, I've never had a virus on an MS machine in more than 25 years. I guess you have to go looking for them. Then there's this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640330/Prepare-iJacked-Apple-users-devices-hacked-forced-pay-RANSOM-theyre-unlocked.html) today. TBH that says more about how awful cloud computing is than any weakness in Apple's OS. And it was in the Daily Mail, so it's probably not true anyway.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Andrew on May 27, 2014, 05:23:25 PM
A person without a virus in 25 years is extremely lucky.

A got an Amiga 500 back in the day.
The Kickstarter (boot) disks were corrupt on delivery with a virus. 1988 I believe that was.

Bought a new computer in 1999, got it home, hooked up to the internet, 3 updates later (same day as updates had to be sequential) got a virus that wiped the hard drive.

2001, testing Wireless internet for BT. Plugged in the router, got it activated. Plugged in wifi card to laptop and desk top and within 3 mins the NTLoader files had been deleted. Wireless internet was not available to Joe Public.

And then we get all the virus issues whilst I worked in IT Support - never ending daily affair.

But since a move to Apple, not a hint of a virus. Even though I still user a virus checker etc, the logs come up empty. I'm not saying Apple is perfect, but at this moment in time - I would rather go back to DOS 6.22 than use any of Microsofts Windows options :-(
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: hssutton on May 27, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Geoff I would certainly recommend Windows 7, but make sure you get the 64 bit version. The 32bit version will only recognize approx 3Gb whereas the 64 bit version will handle much more memory. I have W7 Ultimate which will handle up to 192Gb. 

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/windows-7-32-bit-can-only-recognize-3gb-ram/4a4d29e5-bcd1-476c-89f0-8eebf84daf4b (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/windows-7-32-bit-can-only-recognize-3gb-ram/4a4d29e5-bcd1-476c-89f0-8eebf84daf4b)

Attached are the specs of my PC which I built 12 months ago. Note however I'm using W7 64bit with 16Gb Ram, Photoshop CS6 & Lightroom. The SSDs I use as scratch disks for photoshop and I can assure you my PC flies no matter what I throw at it.

Harry
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Hinfrance on May 28, 2014, 05:01:36 PM
Good luck with the new build Geoff - it should fly.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: 2Beers on May 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
I'm gonna buck the trend and say that I quite like windows 8.1 and never had any bother with it. Currently running window 8.1pro 64 bit with 12 Gb ram , Os is installed on a 128gb corsair SSD and the only other stuff on the ssd is Photoshop cc and lightroom.

As I said I like windows 8.1 and it does take a little getting used to but now that i have used it for a while I find it quite good.

Just my tuppence worth
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Oldboy on May 28, 2014, 05:41:42 PM
A person without a virus in 25 years is extremely lucky.


Err........I've never had a virus either, but then I've never downloaded 'free' software.  ::)
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Hinfrance on May 28, 2014, 05:59:56 PM
I use a lot of freeware. But most of it is quite specialised, created by enthusiasts. I virus check every bit before installation, but never had one come up positive.

Maybe Andrew likes those 'special' sites . .  :legit:
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Hinfrance on May 28, 2014, 06:04:23 PM
I'm gonna buck the trend and say that I quite like windows 8.1 and never had any bother with it. Currently running window 8.1pro 64 bit with 12 Gb ram , Os is installed on a 128gb corsair SSD and the only other stuff on the ssd is Photoshop cc and lightroom.

As I said I like windows 8.1 and it does take a little getting used to but now that i have used it for a while I find it quite good.

Just my tuppence worth

I have a friend who is the IT director of a web services company - he uses W8 at work and on his personal machines and has no problems with it; says it is faster than 7, but they really need to sort out the UI - he has an after market desktop UI overlay on his. The servers all run Linux, everything else is W8.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Andrew on May 28, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
I use a lot of freeware. But most of it is quite specialised, created by enthusiasts. I virus check every bit before installation, but never had one come up positive.

Maybe Andrew likes those 'special' sites . .  :legit:

I sometimes wonder if i'd been better off using those 'special sites' - every one i know who uses them seem to do fine!

As for me, well those 'special sites' cost me a job because i refused to access them. No big deal, because within a month I got another job because I refused to accss those sites.
Of course, the days of the Amiga 500 were internet free so that doesn't explain how those disks camera with a virus...

I'm always envious of those who have never had to worry about trojans and other forms of malware - but having had to too many encounters and then working for an IPS, followed by  medium size global company in the IT Support team, I realised it is not a nice place out there in the ether and try to keep a safe place from it.
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Oldboy on May 28, 2014, 09:56:32 PM
I'm always envious of those who have never had to worry about trojans and other forms of malware - but having had to too many encounters and then working for an IPS, followed by  medium size global company in the IT Support team, I realised it is not a nice place out there in the ether and try to keep a safe place from it.

I should point out that I do use a fire wall and anti-virus software and always have. I still believe most viruses are downloaded in free software or opening emails from sources you don't know or recognised.  :doh:
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: 2Beers on May 28, 2014, 11:37:31 PM
I haven't had a virus either that has damaged my system but I have had viruses that have been caught by my AV software the most problematic are the malware and scareware.

Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Andrew on May 30, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
I'm always envious of those who have never had to worry about trojans and other forms of malware - but having had to too many encounters and then working for an IPS, followed by  medium size global company in the IT Support team, I realised it is not a nice place out there in the ether and try to keep a safe place from it.

I should point out that I do use a fire wall and anti-virus software and always have. I still believe most viruses are downloaded in free software or opening emails from sources you don't know or recognised.  :doh:

The issue with beta testing wifi required the closing down of all firewalls and anti virus. This was beta testing and very much the early days and it was as much as they coould do to get the system to hook up, let alone persuade firewalls and anti virus to accept them. Once connected, switched on firewalls and anti virus to teach them to work with anti virus.

And there, maybe, is the clue to why I've seen so many more of them than some of you. My internet activities required me to work with analysing and managing the risk of virus's and hackers. I was beta testing wifi when most people hadn't even heard of, let alone signed up for, broadband with a 512k bandwidth. At that point, most people did not understand the concept of viruses let alone virus checkers. Worse still, very few actually had, let alone an upto date, virus checker.

It's 22 years since i first accessed the internet along side bulletin boards.I've learned a lot since, and prices have tumble from £300-400 pcm to just £25pcm for amazing internet content. But sadly, the ill wishes of others seems to have grow to match...  :(
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: Oldboy on May 30, 2014, 07:04:30 PM
It's 22 years since i first accessed the internet along side bulletin boards.I've learned a lot since, and prices have tumble from £300-400 pcm to just £25pcm for amazing internet content. But sadly, the ill wishes of others seems to have grow to match...  :(

The first WWW internet I had was in 1992 but it was dial-up and more often you couldn't log on or the line kept dropping. It wasn't worth the effort to keep logging on. We did have a private internet at work run on a mainframe IBM computer. It was called Profs and was the first E-mail system.  :tup:
Title: Re: Good pc build for photo editing
Post by: 2Beers on May 30, 2014, 08:53:48 PM


 We did have a private internet at work run on a mainframe IBM computer. It was called Profs and was the first E-mail system.  :tup:
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The company I worked for used to use Profs as well and as you say the 1200 modem was a bit hit and miss