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Title: Oh my conscience
Post by: irv_b on November 15, 2010, 07:52:11 PM

A photography group I am with are proposing to do a Homeless shoot - now it is not what you would think in that we are to go around talking to, then snapping the homeless but to have models come dressed up as homeless people and put themselves in poses to depict that out in the street and somehow that bothers me more but I don't know why! Now I don't think that I will go but I just wondered what you guys think of that as a theme for a shoot?
Irv
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: skellum on November 15, 2010, 08:27:19 PM
I understand your thoughts maybe if the shoot with the models was in a closed/private location then it would not offend any homeless people.... :legit:
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: jinky on November 15, 2010, 08:33:34 PM
Yes I`d have as many issues with that as shooting a real homeless person if I was mocking it up on the street. In old DCM days I did a shot of myself behind the garden shed as a tramp to save me doing it on the street as it made me fell uncomfortable. I suppose it is hard faking it inside but that`s the only way I could do it.
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: skellum on November 15, 2010, 08:39:35 PM
I understand your thoughts maybe if the shoot with the models was in a closed/private location then it would not offend any homeless people.... :legit:

But then it sounds like an excellent opportunity for this weeks comp  " Street Photography "
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: picsfor on November 15, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
interesting point Irv - but not all "homeless" people are homeless through bad life choices or unlucky breaks.
And sadly, homeless are not always willing to be subjects - they do still have pride.

Essentially you would be engaging in a fashion shoot - but the theme is the homeless.
You've been out with Jonathan - imagine if his assignment was not of models in wedding garb, but models dressed up in homeless look for a new line of clothing.
Remember when ripped and stone washed jeans were all the rage?
Do you really think the pro togs refused to go out and do the shoots because it might offend the homeless when doing the fashion shoots for those lines of clothing?

What you've demonstrated Irv is what those of us who met you already know - you are a thoroughly nice and decent chap who gives a damn.
Go out and do the shoot - it'll be great experience - and if you meet some real homeless and they look concerned - fund them for a cuppa.
Doesn't cost a fortune and if they're still decent people they'll be appreciative.

Is that shoot with a strobist group by any chance? And yes, agree with Dave - excellent opportunity for this weeks comp!
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: spinner on November 15, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
I'm like you Irv, the idea would make me very uncomfortable, if I were a homeless person and knew your group was doing this I'd be thinking you were taking the p***. Come to think of it if I were in you group I'd think the person who made the proposal was taking the p***. I'd rather take the extra time to go out a shoot the real homeless but in a surreptitious manner so as not to be offensive.
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: Oldboy on November 15, 2010, 09:42:17 PM
It bothers you irv because it's not real life just a fake. Most homeless people are ignored by too many people. Do what Abbers does and go and speak to them and ask if you can take their photos. I sure a couple of quid for a coffee would be welcome, and it would make you feel good inside.  ;D
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: irv_b on November 15, 2010, 09:56:17 PM
It bothers you irv because it's not real life just a fake. Most homeless people are ignored by too many people. Do what Abbers does and go and speak to them and ask if you can take their photos. I sure a couple of quid for a coffee would be welcome, and it would make you feel good inside.  ;D

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject guys
As I said earlier I wont be going on the shoot anyway (it's in a few weeks time)  I have shot  the homeless in the past sometimes as a candid and sometimes I have gone and spoke to them but I have always tried to give them due respect and somehow I feel doing this is belittling them whether they see us or not
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: ABERS on November 15, 2010, 10:34:28 PM
Do what Abbers does and go and speak to them and ask if you can take their photos. I sure a couple of quid for a coffee would be welcome, and it would make you feel good inside.  ;D

Sorry Oldboy not me. I've said many a time that I don't take pictures of those that are obviously down on their luck, the bewildered or the inebriated. Their misfortunes are not to be highlighted and exposed to general view. They are people with enough problems without me making something of it. If you search through my web site or Flickr sets you may find the odd eccentric but none that fit the list that I made above.

I have no problem with those that do, that's their choice and it sometimes it is to highlight a good cause or the deficiencies in our society. One could fill a few GBs of cards in a day around London, but not me.

Why pick on the homeless for the exercise, why not dress up a few extras as chinless wonders around the bars in the city? :D
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: Graham on November 15, 2010, 10:39:53 PM
     It all depends on how you  approache it and what your motives are.
     I strugle with the view of some folk who say they won't photograph the homeless, down and outs, disabled and so on. It would seem to me that the implication is that such groups are not worthy of the photographers talents. I think you'll find the homeless have as much dignity as anyone else, and are just as worthy of your attention.
     Iv'e never met you Irv, but from seeing your pictures and reading you comments I'm sure that you would approach any project sympathetically.
                               Graham.

NB   Alan made his post as I was typing mine and it would appear that we have different views, I do however agree that dressing up and being photographed as a "Homeless Person" would be a step too far for me.
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: Jonathan on November 16, 2010, 07:35:48 AM
Nothing is of itself good or bad but thinking makes it so.

Do you intend to demean, embarrass or exploit people by these pictures?  Didn't think so ;)
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: Oldboy on November 16, 2010, 09:11:58 AM
Do what Abbers does and go and speak to them and ask if you can take their photos. I sure a couple of quid for a coffee would be welcome, and it would make you feel good inside.  ;D

Sorry Oldboy not me. I've said many a time that I don't take pictures of those that are obviously down on their luck, the bewildered or the inebriated. Their misfortunes are not to be highlighted and exposed to general view. They are people with enough problems without me making something of it. If you search through my web site or Flickr sets you may find the odd eccentric but none that fit the list that I made above.

I have no problem with those that do, that's their choice and it sometimes it is to highlight a good cause or the deficiencies in our society. One could fill a few GBs of cards in a day around London, but not me.

Why pick on the homeless for the exercise, why not dress up a few extras as chinless wonders around the bars in the city? :D
Sorry Abbers.  :-[
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: ABERS on November 16, 2010, 11:41:11 AM
No problem mate.
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: Eileen on November 17, 2010, 06:33:35 AM
I share your sense of unease Irv, though I'm not sure I can explain why. Our of interest, why is your group doing this - what are their aims?
Title: Re: Oh my conscience
Post by: Bigbill on November 17, 2010, 10:48:12 AM
Hewwo from Freezing Sheffy,,

Isnt it all about what the pics are to be used for ?
Its quite possible that good gritty shots of the appalling plight of the street dwellers(be it staged or not may in some way help them in the long run ??)
Anyway,your focus(get it) is on producing good quality photography,,,,,so GO DO IT !!

Shine On

today my beloved Owls are in the high court again,,,
and will probably not exist in a month.