I have a Nikon D40 which I am reasonably happy with, I am considering purchasing the 35mm prime lens for it. However I am considering purchasing a new body next year probably a D5000. This leads me to my questions will my current lenses work with this body essentially does a DX lens work including AF on a non DX body?
Am I better off putting the £200 or so quid towards a new camera rather than buying a new lens for the D40?
Am I heading off down a one way street if I continue to buy DX lenses which will eventually leave me with a load of useless equipment in a few years time? (Flake on dcmag once said that Nikon's use of DX was not responsible, then again she did appear to hate Nikon.)
The D5000 is a DX body so all your DX lenses you use on your D40 would work exactly the same on a D5000.
I'd also recommend the 35mm f/1.8 - it's a cracking lens.
What Chris said. But also, yes DX lenses work on FF but they crop the centre section of the sensor. Everything else works but my loverly D3 stops down to 5MP. Which is about where phones are now (well, kind of).
Oh and the 35 / 1.8 may be nice. But the Sigma 30 / 1.4 is really nice.
Here's snap with a full frame using a DX lens.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/3818233196_9a7a1d6f31_o.jpg)
(Oh and Flickr's TOS say I should tell you about their fabulous website (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonathanryan/3818233196/) too.)
Jonathan,
Love that photo.. how did you get the almost circular effect on the sky???
Also is the Sigma one cheaper????
Non DX Nikkor Lenses will work fine on Nikon and Fuji DSLR DX bodies :tup: and DX Lenses will work on the NIkon FF bodies albeit with a reduction in pixies!
Quote from: magicrhodes on September 21, 2009, 11:27:23 AM
Love that photo.. how did you get the almost circular effect on the sky???
Thanks :). That's a 10.5 fisheye tilted upwards. Just like it says not to in the manual.
I think the Sigma is dearer than the Nikon. Nice lens though.
Personally if I was upgrading from a D40 I'd go for something like the D90 which give you AF on, almost, all Nikon fit AF lenses rather than having to rely on AF-S lenses.
Quote from: John Doyle2 on September 21, 2009, 11:51:29 AM
Non DX Nikkor Lenses will work fine on Nikon and Fuji DSLR DX bodies :tup: and DX Lenses will work on the NIkon FF bodies albeit with a reduction in pixies!
I thought that non DX lenses would not auto focus on a DX body? ???
Quote from: magicrhodes on September 21, 2009, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: John Doyle2 on September 21, 2009, 11:51:29 AM
Non DX Nikkor Lenses will work fine on Nikon and Fuji DSLR DX bodies :tup: and DX Lenses will work on the NIkon FF bodies albeit with a reduction in pixies!
I thought that non DX lenses would not auto focus on a DX body? ???
Welcome to the crazy world of Nikon lens nomenclature......
Nikon use 2 different focusing systems: AF-S and the other one. The other one is screw drive from a motor in the camera body. AF-S has a motor embedded in the lens. The D40 and SOME other more recent bodies don't have a focus motor in the camera so they can't autofocus a lens unless it's an AF-S. Just to make things easier, Sigma aren't allowed to call their AF-S lenses AF-S so they call them HSM. Some that focus the other way are called AF-D (and I bet several are AF-G). Others aren't. AF-G is an AF-D without the aperture ring.
DX means "can't fill the entire "sensor" on 35mm film sized sensors. Some of them can be AF-S and some can be AF-D. They could also be AF but I don't think any are.
Confused yet?
Some non DX lenses will focus on some DX bodies. And some won't. It's all very simple :)
So non AF-S lens will not autofocus on a D40... Right
Having read the blurb on the Nikon site it would appear that the D5000 is optimised for AF-S which I gather to mean all my D40 equipment would work fine on it... which is good!
Lens wise the D5000 would be exactly the same as the D40 in compatability - ie AF-S HSM. If you could stretch to a D90 there's the option of 1000s of older second hand lenses. Just a thought 8)
This gives the full story for Nikon lens compatibility:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm
Second-hand AF-D lenses will still be pretty pricey, so you won't save a lot of dosh in the long run by getting the D90.
Now that the AF-S, G and DX lens ranges have expanded, you're not short of glass to choose from for your camera. If you use wide aperture primes, then that will be the only shortcoming - most of these are AF-D and you will lose autofocus with them on D40/D5000, but otherwise they're fully functional. If you use zooms, then all of your needs will be catered for as regards the D40 and D5000, AF included.
If you go for older lenses than this (AI and AI-S), which are the real bargains, then the D90 won't give you any advantages over the D40 or D5000. No AF, no metering either. Just use the histogram.
In actual fact, the D40 gives the fullest lens compatibility of the Nikon range - you can fit the pre-AI lenses. Almost everything going back to 1959! This is because one of the 1980s era external couplings is not on the D40. Just a few exceptions with fisheyes that require a mirror lockup to fit.
I don't think that DX will go for a while - none of the manufacturers seem to be able to make a full frame camera that's smaller than a breeze block. If people want to obsess about how much better the image quality is, then they should really use 5"x4" sheet film.......
It's all about horses for courses.
Didn't look too hard at his definitive guide (reading Ken Rockwell for more than 3 minutes tends to make me violent) but I didn't see any mention of IX lenses. Or (for completeness) those wacky AF lenses for the otherwise MF F3.
Don't put either of them in the same room as a DSLR.
Well I suppose it depends what sort of lenses you're after if it's more worthwhile getting a body that will give you AF with non AF-S lenses. Of the lenses I'm currently using only one is AF-S. The others were all purchased second hand and I think my Nikkor 70-210 AF-D for £90 and Tokina 400mm for around £200 cost me considerably less than the equivalent AF-S/HSM type lenses would have done - Sigma 17-70 for a round £150 was'nt bad either.
Totally agree Sue - I see what you mean now. Apologies for misconstruing.
The Ken Rockwell article isn't that bad, bearing in mind it was written by mad Ken. And yes, he is terribly irritating.
You've got to love Nikon - after being with Nikon for three years, I don't think I have a proper camera unless there's a two page matrix detailing what will fit what and what functionality it will give.
Canon are so boring - you just put anything made in the last twenty years on a camera, and it just works (EF-S excepted). Yawn.........
I went to Jessop last night, happened to be in Meadowhell, and the D90 is rated above the D5000 but I believe the D5000 is newer. What would be the plus of the D90.... or is the D5000 better value for money??
Aimed at different markets.
D5000 has superior Live View, smaller and lighter, better usability for beginners (screen pictures etc).
D90 has built-in focus motor, fast shutter speed flash sync, CLS commander mode for flash, auto-bracketing and quite a few other features.
They both have the same sensor. If, like me, you see cameras as a box containing the sensor which you attach lenses to, then buy the cheapest.
If you pop over to dpreview - http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sidebyside.asp - and put in the two cameras you'll have a side by side list of features to compare. The one advantage of the D5000 is really the articulated live view. I think the usefulness or desirability of a higher spec camera can come down to your main photographic interests. For some subjects the camera itself can be less important but, speaking from personal experience, if you're into any kind of action it's just that much more enjoyable and easy with a more responsive and faster camera. As i said before, it's the lens thing that mainly makes me recommend the D90 [and I did use one for quite some time!] I think the only reason the D5000 is the newer model is time scale rather than it being any more advanced.
Quote from: chris@seary.com on September 22, 2009, 07:59:11 PM
They both have the same sensor. If, like me, you see cameras as a box containing the sensor which you attach lenses to, then buy the cheapest.
Dunno. Some days I would sell what's left of my soul for a faster sync speed.....
I tried that website and it is really useful, however I struggled to identify many differences that necessitate the extra £150...
What is Sync speed and why would/may I need it?
Generally most of my photography is architecture and landscape but I am developing (pun intended) a love of macro but can not afford a new lens... unless... I ditch the Nikon 35mm prime that started the conversation to get a macro... the thing is I can't spend more than the £160-200 it would cost
i was also wondering what sync speed is... google will have all the answers ;)
Sync speed is basically the maximum shutter speed that you can use flash with. There are a couple of sneaky dodges but with a proper pro camera like the D3 it's 1/250s. With a leaf shutter camera it's a lot faster - the Hasselblad H3D will sync all the way up to max shutter speed (a paltry 1/800s). With a junky consumer camera like the D70 it's 1/500 and you can cheat all your way up to 1/4000 ;). (That's an outrageous example - the D70 is about the best DSLR ever made for high speed sync).
This means that you can use flash on bright sunny day more easily. To use fill flash on a summer's day I'm generally at f16 which is bad for all sorts or reasons. Not least because I need a staggering amount of flash to shoot at f16. Higher speed sync = less DOF in sun.
Don't the higher spec Nikon cameras give sync up to 1/4000 with the SB600/900?
The MKIII sync speed is 1/300 which is better than many others, and pretty much all canon do high speed sync - basically you can fire the flash at any speed but because it does burst flash it does restrict the range - but for fill is often enough.
I assume the nikons do the same, as the flash system is reportedly better!
New question on the same subject are Non-AF-S lenses cheaper than AF-S lenses on the whole... (I think I have got his now that D40 compatable lenses are the AF-S ones because they have the AF motor in them?)
I am back to deciding which new body to go for D90 or D5000. If I make the extra investment in the D90 will I save money in the long run because I won't have to buy a lens with an AF motor in it?
Sorry Cankon superiority guys, but both my K10D and K20D Pentaxes will flash sync up to maximum shutter speed. Although as Mark says the ranges is then restricted -the usable range is displayed on the flashgun data panel, dependent on the shutter speed and zoom setting. I haven't tried it in wireless mode though.
Quote from: magicrhodes on October 19, 2009, 11:44:59 AM
New question on the same subject are Non-AF-S lenses cheaper than AF-S lenses on the whole... (I think I have got his now that D40 compatable lenses are the AF-S ones because they have the AF motor in them?)
I am back to deciding which new body to go for D90 or D5000. If I make the extra investment in the D90 will I save money in the long run because I won't have to buy a lens with an AF motor in it?
I suppose it depends just what lenses you're in the market for. I'd personally go D90 because you can get so many second hand bargains. I had a D40 as a second body for a while and, while it was a nice camera, it was so annoying not being able to use a 50mm f1.8 or my Sigma 17-70 on it - manual focussing not really being an option for me these days. Never tried a D5000 but the D90 is a very very good camera 8)
Quote from: Tringle WP on October 19, 2009, 01:23:22 PM
Sorry Cankon superiority guys, but both my K10D and K20D Pentaxes will flash sync up to maximum shutter speed. Although as Mark says the ranges is then restricted -the usable range is displayed on the flashgun data panel, dependent on the shutter speed and zoom setting. I haven't tried it in wireless mode though.
Um yeah. You mean exactly like Canons and Nikons with DEDICATED flash guns? I'll bet even Sonys can do that.
Now plug it into studio flash. That would be your maximum sync. Just like with all SLRs. Apart from, err, the D70.
FWIW I use my Canon (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonG9/) when I need ultra high speed sync with regular flash.
Quote from: greypoint on October 19, 2009, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: magicrhodes on October 19, 2009, 11:44:59 AM
New question on the same subject are Non-AF-S lenses cheaper than AF-S lenses on the whole... (I think I have got his now that D40 compatable lenses are the AF-S ones because they have the AF motor in them?)
I am back to deciding which new body to go for D90 or D5000. If I make the extra investment in the D90 will I save money in the long run because I won't have to buy a lens with an AF motor in it?
I suppose it depends just what lenses you're in the market for. I'd personally go D90 because you can get so many second hand bargains. I had a D40 as a second body for a while and, while it was a nice camera, it was so annoying not being able to use a 50mm f1.8 or my Sigma 17-70 on it - manual focussing not really being an option for me these days. Never tried a D5000 but the D90 is a very very good camera 8)
Is there any plan to give the D90 an adjustable/ movable screen?