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General Category => Photography Techniques and how to's => Topic started by: greypoint on September 15, 2009, 12:15:28 AM

Title: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: greypoint on September 15, 2009, 12:15:28 AM
As I'm supposed to be taking a few pictures at our town football club where my friends are on the committee I had a bit of a on a park football match whilst waiting for the start of Sunday's dog show. Have'nt done much other than crop them and the light was'nt that good. Not sure if I've got the aptitude for this sort of thing - 70-300mm would have been ideal but is away being mended - 400mm was a bit too long and slow to focus and 70-210 a bit short. And of course I prefer cricket ::)

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Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: Oly Paul on September 15, 2009, 09:43:50 AM
These look pretty good Sue.  :)

I'm sure to get shot down in flames for this but I think that in this genre of photography technical ability is less important than the ability to position yourself well and have a knowledge of the game and a ability to read the game and work out where the action will break..and of course a good camera with good fast autofocus and High iso capability to keep the shutter speed high. ;)
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: greypoint on September 15, 2009, 09:51:10 AM
I just stood there and tried to follow the action - firing off two or three frames when the time seemed right. The lenses were'nt ideal so it was a bit hit and miss at times. I agree that with the right equipment it's not hard to get useable stuff. I think it's one of those genres where a lot of people can get good results now with the ability of digital to fire off as many as you want, but there are still the elite who can get that special shot in terms of both content and quality. It gives you great respect for those who managed it when there was the restriction of film though!
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: skellum on September 15, 2009, 03:35:53 PM
Most football photographers sit to the left or right of goal and use a 400mm to cover the far side of the pitch and 70-200 from the half way line.
Local Papers want at least 6 to 8 general pictures of the game / action. National papers are more interested in goal celebrations or the manager arguing with the ref. I know one tog who must spend half the game looking at the bench. A knowledge of the game & players is needed so that you have an idea of what may happen. Unfortunately ( for the players ) a shot of a very bad tackle would sell well.
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: Oldboy on September 15, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
All the shots show action sue, so you have done well. The hardest one to get is the ball going into the net. I find that standing around the halfway line is the best position to get shots of both goals, using a zoom lens to cover most parts of the pitch.  ;D
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: skellum on September 15, 2009, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: Oldboy on September 15, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
All the shots show action sue, so you have done well. The hardest one to get is the ball going into the net. I find that standing around the halfway line is the best position to get shots of both goals, using a zoom lens to cover most parts of the pitch.  ;D

As I said most togs sit to the side of goal as this allows the action to come towards you.
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: greypoint on September 15, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
I was a bit restricted as to where I could stand so it was really just a case of trying to get what i could from where I was. If I have a go at the club ground I'll try to get a good position. Downside is having to watch football which I normally avoid at all costs! :2funny:
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: Oldboy on September 15, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
Quote from: skellum ( Dave ) on September 15, 2009, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: Oldboy on September 15, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
All the shots show action sue, so you have done well. The hardest one to get is the ball going into the net. I find that standing around the halfway line is the best position to get shots of both goals, using a zoom lens to cover most parts of the pitch.  ;D

As I said most togs sit to the side of goal as this allows the action to come towards you.

That's OK for people who go often to football matches, but for those who don't I still think the halfway line is the best option.  ;D
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: skellum on September 15, 2009, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: Oldboy on September 15, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
Quote from: skellum ( Dave ) on September 15, 2009, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: Oldboy on September 15, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
All the shots show action sue, so you have done well. The hardest one to get is the ball going into the net. I find that standing around the halfway line is the best position to get shots of both goals, using a zoom lens to cover most parts of the pitch.  ;D

As I said most togs sit to the side of goal as this allows the action to come towards you.

That's OK for people who go often to football matches, but for those who don't I still think the halfway line is the best option.  ;D
The last picture I posted was taken from the left of the goal. If I had taken it from the halfway line all you would see is the backs of the players... :legit:
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: greypoint on September 15, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
and of course they do look better with a crowd behind them rather than just the empty space of a park football pitch :D
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: Graham on September 15, 2009, 05:31:12 PM
  I've just been looking at the thread about subject matter, and with that still in my mind I reckon the second one comes on top as a mighty fine pic regardless of whether it's a bunch of footballers or a bunch of ducks!
  The three subjects faces are all clearly in view, you've timed the action and you've got the ball in there so we know what's going on.
     Graham.  :)
Title: Re: Hit,Miss or Maybe - Don't give up the day job!
Post by: Eileen on September 15, 2009, 08:19:16 PM
I think the first, second and fourth pics work pretty well Sue (especially the first one). You've caught some great expressions and action. The ones where you are further back from the subjects don't work so well to my eyes. I think the composition needs to be tighter or more interesting when you are further back: as you can't see faces then the shapes need to tell a story in themselves. I am sure you will get some cracking shots on the day.

Very nice work Dave.