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Cranium Competitions => International Weekly Comp Entries => Topic started by: jinky on March 10, 2015, 06:28:16 AM

Poll
Question: Vote for your favourite meeting the brief
Option 1: Musher Dog


votes: 1
Option 2: Dying Cockroach


votes: 0
Option 3: Timmy Wolf


votes: 3
Option 4: Scarface


votes: 1
Option 5: Molly


votes: 0
Option 6: Surf`s Up


votes: 0
Option 7: Faithful Companion


votes: 0
Option 8: Mooncat


votes: 8
Option 9: Daisy


votes: 3
Option 10: Double Act


votes: 1
Title: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: jinky on March 10, 2015, 06:28:16 AM
Get voting folks. Nice to see a few more entries.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Reinardina on March 10, 2015, 09:45:40 AM
It's a long time, since we had such a diversity of wonderful images. Difficult choice!
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: DigiDiva on March 10, 2015, 12:17:08 PM
I agree and they voting is well spread too
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Graham on March 10, 2015, 04:32:56 PM
 I had to flip a coin between two.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Reinardina on March 10, 2015, 05:14:53 PM
That's good. Will you tell, when the poll is closed, who won the toss, and between which images you had to choose?
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: jinky on March 10, 2015, 06:12:33 PM
I could have gone another way to vote with a few slight alterations to shots. Nice to see numbers up. Got to try and get a weather shot. Boring blue skies here but cannot complain.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Graham on March 11, 2015, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: Reinardina on March 10, 2015, 05:14:53 PM
That's good. Will you tell, when the poll is closed, who won the toss, and between which images you had to choose?

  I will.  :)
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: spikeyjen on March 13, 2015, 10:06:57 PM
mmm, I think its a runaway for the unhelpful cat on the hot tin roof!
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: jinky on March 14, 2015, 06:58:30 AM
Up early as I have a full on day today with 2 parties to get to with a few miles between them! I see I have won somehow - thanks to your votes  ;).
Surprise for me really as the shot was rushed and less than I was hoping for - a combination of little time and using the first (wrong ) lens to hand on a back up camera I was testing out again for it`s focus and higher ISO use that led to grainy images and the need to merge 3 shots in the end. Even the merger was poor I felt - hence my initial decision to replace the shot with another grabbed in the same way! Like Ogga I preferred my original despite it`s failings and went back to it regardless as I`d liked the idea I`d had in my head. I noticed that it did not have many views in the gallery (and neither did many of the other entries) showing that few had looked in greater detail at the slightly bigger size to see my shortcomings and I got away with it  ;).

As I`m awake with time to kill just now a few comments on others which I hope you won`t mind and yes I too failed to look at some of them in larger size!
My vote went to Daisy as it was such a sweet capture of a lovely cat in nice muted colours with great eyes. Might have gone a little lower and got the full set of whiskers in but nice uncluttered background that worked for me.

I said there might have been others I might have voted for and close for me were H`s Scarface - lovely shot of a handsome cat despite what H says  :). Better lower angle that nearly got all the whiskers and a close 2nd for me.
Timmy Wold and Musher Dog were next for me and might have got my vote  with a bit of a crop on them. With Timmy I`d have cropped above his legs to focus on that sweet head and shoulders look, maybe not looking down so much and with Mosher I would have cropped to a square format with the chain bottom left corner leading into the dog head. Both gorgeous dogs nicely caught though.
faithful companion was a nice twist but with a messy background for me and the dying cockroach again needed a crop and full body capture - I`m guessing he/ she might have been rolling too much to get right in frame. You needed him to keep as still as ogga`s Faithful Companion  :). Surf`s Up was nice too - just a shamethe dog is mouth closed and not splashing his head about more to make it more effective but you get what you can.

Molly and Double Act were nice captures but I was put off by the distracting grass blades and side on capture of Molly and again the looking down emphasis on Double Act.


Hope you don`t mind my observations which of course are only my perspectives - you had your own reasons for capturing them as you did and these comments only serve to explain why I voted as I did. Nice to see entry / voting numbers up to give us a wide choice and again thanks for the votes. I`ve already posted the next theme which can be captured from now - how keen is that! I`ve still got to get a weather shot yet.



Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Hinfrance on March 14, 2015, 07:33:38 AM
Congrats Paul.

Thank you whoever voted for Milo Scarface. He's so useless he can't even win a weekly challenge . .  :'(

My vote went to Timmy Wolf, just pipping Musher. It was eye contact that made me look at those two ahead of the rest, but the "large" version of Musher was too small.  I didn't go for Paul's - if I am honest I would have put that last because it is (by Paul's own admission) quite ropey, and not a picture of a cat or dog, it's a picture that has a cat silhouette in it, and to my mind whatever its qualities it did not fit the brief. Could have been a cat, could have been a cardboard cut-out . .

Daisy has a lovely pastel palette, but she is looking out of frame.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Graham on March 14, 2015, 07:56:47 AM
The coin flip was between Mooncat and Daisy. And to reinforce how close they were, I can't remember which won!
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Beaux Reflets on March 14, 2015, 08:41:12 AM
Congratulations Paul. Thank you to Howard and the others who voted for my daughter's Wolf!  :tup: :beer:
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: DigiDiva on March 14, 2015, 01:49:09 PM
Well done Paul. I really liked this one from the start. Thanks to those who voted for Daisy.  She is so sweet and as a pet she is puuuuuurrrrrfect!
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: oggalily on March 14, 2015, 04:13:47 PM
Good selection of images this week.  Glad I talked you back into your origin image Jinky, I knew it was a winner. 

As for my own "faithful companion", I am a little disappointed not to get any votes for an unorthodox take on the subject but I suspect based n Jinky's comments that I didn't get my message across clearly enough.  The idea was supposed to be that he had been abandoned in the attic, however the attic clutter maybe didn't work as intended and just looked like a messy background.  I'd appreciate any comments/feedback on what I might have done differently.  Or maybe people didn't think it fit the brief due to not having a real animal in it?

I've already got an image in the can for "weather", just need to tweak it in Lightroom.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Beaux Reflets on March 14, 2015, 05:22:49 PM
Quote from: oggalily on March 14, 2015, 04:13:47 PM
Good selection of images this week.  Glad I talked you back into your origin image Jinky, I knew it was a winner. 

As for my own "faithful companion", I am a little disappointed not to get any votes for an unorthodox take on the subject but I suspect based n Jinky's comments that I didn't get my message across clearly enough.  The idea was supposed to be that he had been abandoned in the attic, however the attic clutter maybe didn't work as intended and just looked like a messy background.  I'd appreciate any comments/feedback on what I might have done differently.  Or maybe people didn't think it fit the brief due to not having a real animal in it?

I've already got an image in the can for "weather", just need to tweak it in Lightroom.

Chris, I think the only thing that stopped me casting a vote your way was the light cream area of attic clutter behind the dog which  draws the eye from the wee dog. The overall lighting is good  :tup:
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Beaux Reflets on March 14, 2015, 05:33:29 PM
Paul, I can see what you mean about a crop. Because of the high angle of the shot and instant eye contact, I felt that keeping the paw tight to the corner added a sense of "Come on give me the command! Come on I want to Ggo!!" - an interaction ?  :-\  which obviously failed somehow  :(  ;)
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Oldboy on March 14, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
Well done Jinky.  :tup:
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: oggalily on March 14, 2015, 09:38:22 PM
Thanks for the feedback Andy.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: DigiDiva on March 14, 2015, 09:58:23 PM
Its great to see comments and feedback here . I personally would like this every week but not everyone feels the same. From the up/down days from DCM from those who were there then, I personally learned so much from it.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: spikeyjen on March 14, 2015, 10:59:01 PM
hi All and congratulations Jinky.
It is nice to see some feedback and I also hope that this continues in the spirit of sharing and helping others. Even if we indicate why we chose a particular image.

So here is my attempt at some feedback, and remember, it's just my opinion.

My vote went for Scarface - and it wasn't a sympathy vote. I actually chose it for it's 'technical correctness'. Love the blurred DOF and the cat is sharp (esp the eyes). It's hard to go white and dark in one photo and this has also been done well. I also like that the cat is a little off centre (just a think I like).
Daisy nearly won it for me, this is just picture postcard, beautiful eyes and colors and a great neutral background.
Dying cockroach made me laugh, this is a great subject but the image needs a little work to improve the color, and give the dog's eyes a sparkle (this is where people will look first).
Both Molly and Faithful companion are great subjects that are well positioned in the frame with some room for the subject to 'look or move into'. Both of them have backgrounds that are a little distracting, either with similar colors (Molly) or objects (Faithful...). Try to find a neutral background and use a wide aperture (small f-stop) to blur the background. Faithful would have looked great against that wooden wall.
Surf's Up, is a great concept but would have had more impact if you used a longer lens or was closer. Perhaps try cropping and check your levels to reduce the brightness.
I also liked Double Act, great concept, just a shame dog #2 is looking the wrong way. Try a whistle, noise (bark) or a suggestion of a treat to get them both to look at you at the same time. The red dog lead is a distraction but the matching collars is nice.
Moon Cat is also great, and nice to see something 'outside the box'.

Hope noone is offended by the comments. If anyone wants some further explanation, please just ask


Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: jinky on March 15, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
Quote from: oggalily on March 14, 2015, 04:13:47 PM
Good selection of images this week.  Glad I talked you back into your origin image Jinky, I knew it was a winner. 

As for my own "faithful companion", I am a little disappointed not to get any votes for an unorthodox take on the subject but I suspect based n Jinky's comments that I didn't get my message across clearly enough.  The idea was supposed to be that he had been abandoned in the attic, however the attic clutter maybe didn't work as intended and just looked like a messy background.  I'd appreciate any comments/feedback on what I might have done differently.  Or maybe people didn't think it fit the brief due to not having a real animal in it?

I've already got an image in the can for "weather", just need to tweak it in Lightroom.

Ah - I get it more now ogga. Just shows you can never know what is in the person`s mind when taking the shot. I agree with Andy though that the white distracting background item does detract from an otherwise sharp, well lit subject.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Ken. on March 15, 2015, 08:57:23 AM
Congratulations jinky!  :tup:

Quote from: spikeyjen on March 14, 2015, 10:59:01 PM
Dying cockroach made me laugh, this is a great subject but the image needs a little work to improve the color, and give the dog's eyes a sparkle (this is where people will look first).

Thanks for the feedback spikeyjen.  8)
When posting the picture I knew that it was not really at the same technical level as other submissions would be, but posted it anyway just for fun.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Hinfrance on March 15, 2015, 09:10:12 AM
Thank you Jen for voting for Milo (Scarface). I quickly processed the shot in DxO 9. I sometime find LR is not up to the job - but that's probably me not being able to get the best out of it.

Andy/Paul - I see what you mean about the crop Paul, but I am with Andy on this, liked the fact that the paw was in shot.

Ogga, I was kind of with you on the idea, but didn't quite get it, I admit. For me there is just too much space around the faithful companion, although I like the angle.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: ABERS on March 15, 2015, 10:03:39 AM
Interesting to read people's comments on other's pictures. It shows perhaps how their own approach to photography is based, and especially if the pictures are not widely different in subject, composition or creativity.

I didn't vote so the result is of no consequence, but the image that I think could have been made more of is the white cat 'Daisy'. It has the beginnings of an interesting high key image, but with some work could be more engaging as a black + white high key picture. The large liquid blue eyes  lend themselves to being the major highlight of the image.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: DigiDiva on March 15, 2015, 11:36:41 AM
Abers thanks for the comments. I did do a b&w conversion to use for my greeting cards and it does look fab so I can agree with what you said. I used the colour version for the comp as I thought if was more fitting.

Can you give me some photo shopping tips for the high key effect? I have only ever done high key with actual lighting never with photoshop.
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: Oldboy on March 15, 2015, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: spikeyjen on March 14, 2015, 10:59:01 PM
Both Molly and Faithful companion are great subjects that are well positioned in the frame with some room for the subject to 'look or move into'. Both of them have backgrounds that are a little distracting, either with similar colors (Molly) or objects (Faithful...). Try to find a neutral background and use a wide aperture (small f-stop) to blur the background. Faithful would have looked great against that wooden wall.


Thanks for the feed back. The reason I posted this shot is Molly's stance facing into the wind. As with wildlife shots you can't pick the background so have to go with it as is. It was shot at 1,000s at F8 as that is the setting I use for wildlife shots unless I have time to alter it. In this case I didn't, as there was lots of other dogs around so, was my only chance to get this shot where she isn't looking at me or interacting with other dogs or people.  ;D

Quote from: spikeyjen on March 14, 2015, 10:59:01 PM

Hope noone is offended by the comments.


Lets just say that I've crossed you off my Christmas card list!!!!  :yikes:  :P
Title: Re: Poll for Cats and Dogs
Post by: ABERS on March 15, 2015, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: DigiDiva on March 15, 2015, 11:36:41 AM

Can you give me some photo shopping tips for the high key effect? I have only ever done high key with actual lighting never with photoshop.

As you doubtless know  from your lighting knowledge a high key effect should have no shadows within the image, thus any portrait will have a direct flat lighting on the subject, with the background completely bleached out.

The way I would approach your cat picture in photoshop CS5 is as follows, bearing in mind I'm doing this in my minds eye as I go along!

Firstly change image to mono, then up the contrast. Secondly using the select tool select each eye. Then using the select drop down menu, select inverse, thus any action will not affect the eyes.

Using the brightness/contrast from the layers menu use the sliders to arrive at an almost line drawing of the cat.

Go back to the select drop down menu and click on reselect, then click on to inverse. This should allow you to then work on the eyes in isolation again using the brightness/contrast until you feel the eyes have the right intensity.

Flatten the image when you feel you've arrived at your destination.

I would work on the image in L/room to get to the mono image initially using the colour sliders to arrive at the line drawing effect, then transfer to photoshop CS5 before working on the eyes.

Hope that makes sense! :)