After doing an avast update and restarting my computer freezes on " windows startin*". After restarting I got the message it would not start, attempt repair which I selected A request for a restore I agreed to. Still nothing happened and then I went to restart. Still not starting - just the logo. So much on and need to edit / do a talk I have planned on PC for Saturday. Help - what can I do? I currently have start up repair running / attempting repairs. Is there a way I can access system restore on start up as I cannot get to the start button. I hate computers!
Just managed to get to system restore and I have no restore point! :uglystupid2:
EDIT: Now I find that having closed safe mode, shut down and restarted it has all booted up OK. System repair had not advised of any repair and even gave a message suggesting repair had been impossible and did I want to report it!! I`ve set a restore point but am scared to close the PC down now in case it won`t restart!
Is this just another case where shutting it down, unplugging and restarting has just finally fixed it. Made me realise I need to seriously work on backing up some files before this PC gets switched off again.
Panic seemingly over ....unless.....
You can tell what sort of a panic I was in - posting help request on my nexus and then staged updates until I have seemingly solved it ... without knowing why. Still hate PCs. Avast is still saying an update is available. I just don`t know what to do about that one. When I did it before I wonder if it was running twice or something. It said update downloaded and need to restart so I hit yest . It then said it was waiting for 2 then 1 programme (avast) to close before restarting and I might have hit force restart. I suspect that was the root of my problems.
It's hard to tell what the problem is/was as you are scared of computers so may have missed any message. My guess is, when you restarted your computer, it carried on doing the update, as open system files can't be updated whilst they are open[running]. This is why updates request that you need to close down/restart your computer or reboot. So, as you couldn't see anything happening, you might have assumed it had frozen when it was just finishing the update. Microsoft, in their wisdom, decided to hid the Dos screen so you can't see what is going on.
As you have the PC working again I suggest you create a restore point now. After doing that do the updates as normal and you shouldn't have any problems. Sometimes during a update it may pause waiting for a response from you, but because you can't see the message you can't answer. If that happens again try pressing the ESC/escape key and it should skip that and carry on. By switching of/ unplugging you have forced the PC to reboot and repair any damaged files before restarting. I think your PC should be OK now. :tup:
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Try connecting your netbook to your PC and download the correct version of Flashplayer onto to it. The PC just see your netbook as another harddrive. :tup:
Thanks Oldboy. It working again is a relief but I always like to know what might have caused it and that sounds spot on to me. When I`ve done all my essential work Ill update avast as they are still saying it needs and update and reboot and see what happens.
Related: Microsoft has announced support for Windows 7 will end in 2015
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/07/10/microsoft-windows-7-mainstream-support/
At least the extended support will be there a while longer like with XP.
Quote from: Oldboy on July 10, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Try connecting your netbook to your PC and download the correct version of Flashplayer onto to it. The PC just see your netbook as another harddrive. :tup:
I dont have a PC, its a MACPROso nocan do :-( however it was a good idea
Quote from: jinky on July 10, 2014, 05:29:57 PM
At least the extended support will be there a while longer like with XP.
But not as long, smaller installed base.
this seems to be the week for pc problems.
My pc
just went tits up tonight PSU went Bang with a cloud of smoke.
will see if I can get a replacement locally tomorrow if not then will need to get one of tinterweb.
Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Oldboy on July 10, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Try connecting your netbook to your PC and download the correct version of Flashplayer onto to it. The PC just see your netbook as another harddrive. :tup:
I dont have a PC, its a MACPROso nocan do :-( however it was a good idea
Macpro is still a PC(Personal Computer). It should work just as well with your Macpro. :tup:
My cowardice about not restarting my computer until I`d edited a couple of wedding pre-shoots and finished the notes / slideshow of a talk I am giving (gulp!) backfired on me. Automatic windows update and restart overnight showed that start up is ok again. maybe soon I`ll have enough bottle to update avast again!
Quote from: jinky on July 11, 2014, 02:02:51 PM
My cowardice about not restarting my computer until I`d edited a couple of wedding pre-shoots and finished the notes / slideshow of a talk I am giving (gulp!) backfired on me. Automatic windows update and restart overnight showed that start up is ok again. maybe soon I`ll have enough bottle to update avast again!
You can stop Windows from doing a automatic shutdown, so the updates will only be processed when you agree. Some anti-virus doesn't give you that option. :o
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Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Try connecting your netbook to your PC and download the correct version of Flashplayer onto to it. The PC just see your netbook as another harddrive. :tup:
I dont have a PC, its a MACPROso nocan do :-( however it was a good idea
Macpro is still a PC(Personal Computer). It should work just as well with your Macpro. :tup:
If she has a Windows based Desktop (see how I avoided that whole 'it's still a PC' debate) it's not that simple. I run both systems. While my Mac can see Windows drives, the otherway around doesn't work. Windows has never seen fit to
program it's system to read OS X formatted drives. If she has an OS X desktop then it should be as easy as you say :)
Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Oldboy on July 10, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Try connecting your netbook to your PC and download the correct version of Flashplayer onto to it. The PC just see your netbook as another harddrive. :tup:
I dont have a PC, its a MACPROso nocan do :-( however it was a good idea
Do you have another machine? Or access to one? Preferably one running OS X? If so use that machine to download the Flashplayer DMG file, put it on a thumbdrive and install to your netbook from the thumbdrive.
Or do you have one of the new fangled things that doesn't have USB ports?
My problem just won`t go away. seems every time there is an update I hot the same wall! After being away for the weekend at a wedding - switched on and all OK. Switched off at night and it said it was installing an update and would switch off when done. Knew there would be trouble this morning and yes there was. Frozen at window icon restart point. Switched off - restarted and said shut down incorrectly set system restore point. Did not restart again. Switched off and set off start up repair. Same again. Switched off and took plug out and restarted OK. Looked at update installations and it said that a windows defender update had field with error number 8000FFFF. Looked it up and followed an MSFixit routing hoping to sort it. On the restart it froze again. Ran the start up fix and this time it did start up. It`s working now and my aim is to edit / do all my wedding work leaving the the pc on until completed but I cannot keep going through this every update / turn off / restart. I`ve now turned off automatic updates telling them to let me choose when to download / update but no way of knowing whether I just choose not to let defender update or if it just threw the fault up with that as the last update. Funny thing is I keep getting defender telling me that Avast is not switched on - seems a known problem that I cannot do anything about. Could it be a conflict with avast? Am I best uninstalling that and trying a new one? Any suggestions please :uglystupid2:
Updates often look as if they have 'frozen' when they are working away in the background. Even with a fast system this can seem to take forever. Turning off the PC during this process usually results in a corrupted system initiation file - which sounds like your problem. I don't have any trouble with my AV, I use AVG on my main PC and Zone Alarm on the laptop, both W7 64bit versions. I also have Zone Alarm on the 'spare' Vista PC.
Have you run a disk check? I had endless problems with XP because of faulty sectors on my boot disk. Open explorer and right click on the boot drive, chose properties and then the tools tab, then error checking, check now.
Let us know how you get on.
I turned off updates on XP in the end too - they always ended in a disaster of some kind, but I have (fingers crossed) absolutely no issues with either Vista or W7.
Quote from: spinner on July 13, 2014, 12:57:17 PM
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Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Try connecting your netbook to your PC and download the correct version of Flashplayer onto to it. The PC just see your netbook as another harddrive. :tup:
I dont have a PC, its a MACPROso nocan do :-( however it was a good idea
Macpro is still a PC(Personal Computer). It should work just as well with your Macpro. :tup:
If she has a Windows based Desktop (see how I avoided that whole 'it's still a PC' debate) it's not that simple. I run both systems. While my Mac can see Windows drives, the otherway around doesn't work. Windows has never seen fit to
program it's system to read OS X formatted drives. If she has an OS X desktop then it should be as easy as you say :)
She has a Netbook therefore it likely has Android as a operation software. Regardless of the operations system on her MacPro, it should see the netbook as a external drive. I've used software in the past to allow me to read Mac files on a Windows PC. :tup:
Quote from: jinky on July 29, 2014, 07:03:44 AM
My problem just won`t go away. seems every time there is an update I hot the same wall! After being away for the weekend at a wedding - switched on and all OK. Switched off at night and it said it was installing an update and would switch off when done. Knew there would be trouble this morning and yes there was. Frozen at window icon restart point. Switched off - restarted and said shut down incorrectly set system restore point. Did not restart again. Switched off and set off start up repair. Same again. Switched off and took plug out and restarted OK. Looked at update installations and it said that a windows defender update had field with error number 8000FFFF. Looked it up and followed an MSFixit routing hoping to sort it. On the restart it froze again. Ran the start up fix and this time it did start up. It`s working now and my aim is to edit / do all my wedding work leaving the the pc on until completed but I cannot keep going through this every update / turn off / restart. I`ve now turned off automatic updates telling them to let me choose when to download / update but no way of knowing whether I just choose not to let defender update or if it just threw the fault up with that as the last update. Funny thing is I keep getting defender telling me that Avast is not switched on - seems a known problem that I cannot do anything about. Could it be a conflict with avast? Am I best uninstalling that and trying a new one? Any suggestions please :uglystupid2:
It could be a conflict between Windows Defender and Avast. Try to turn off Defender, click start button, select Help and Support, type in the Help search box 'Turn off Defender', follow the instructions. Try that and see how you get on. :tup:
Sorry not been able to get on here. 12 hour wedding and weekend in Scarborough for it and then editing non stop before I am away again down south/ It`s all go. At least the PC has behaved to get the editing done with updates switched off and no auto shutdown.
Howard - I couldn`t even even find the boot driver when I open explorer at first but when I found boot and got to properties no tool tab / error checking options were available :uglystupid2:
Oldboy - when I type in defender or turn off defender and such nothing comes up a an option.
Deffo looks like a failed update for defender is causing the issue as it first failed when this problem started in early July I saw on a list and has done each time it`s gone wrong since.
I'd say it's definitely a problem with running Defender and Avast. It's common knowledge that you must not run two anti-virus systems at the same time because they conflict and cause lock-ups. And I recently read an article saying Defender was very poor at its job and should really be uninstalled and replaced by Avast or similar.
Cheers.
Paul - Control Panel - Windows Defender - turn this programme off - simples.
Your boot disk will usually be C: - windows key +e opens explorer. Under 'my computer' right click on C:, select properties and then tools. Chose the first option - error checking.
Quote from: jinky on July 30, 2014, 05:30:31 PM
Oldboy - when I type in defender or turn off defender and such nothing comes up a an option.
When you click Help and Support from the start menu it should open a window. At the top should be a box with 'Search Help', click on that and enter "Turn off Defender" click the little magnifying glass and follow the instructions that appear. ;D
Quote from: SimonW on July 30, 2014, 08:18:57 PM
I'd say it's definitely a problem with running Defender and Avast. It's common knowledge that you must not run two anti-virus systems at the same time because they conflict and cause lock-ups. And I recently read an article saying Defender was very poor at its job and should really be uninstalled and replaced by Avast or similar.
Cheers.
I have Defender running alongside McAfee without problems. If you do have problems then you are correct in suggesting turning it off. :tup:
Quote from: Oldboy on July 29, 2014, 09:27:44 AM
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Quote from: DigiDiva on July 10, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
When I got back from my holidays, my littlenet book just wouldn't work. I had todoa full restore and now Im having awful problems as theres no flash player and it wont lt me download flashplayer.
Try connecting your netbook to your PC and download the correct version of Flashplayer onto to it. The PC just see your netbook as another harddrive. :tup:
I dont have a PC, its a MACPROso nocan do :-( however it was a good idea
Macpro is still a PC(Personal Computer). It should work just as well with your Macpro. :tup:
If she has a Windows based Desktop (see how I avoided that whole 'it's still a PC' debate) it's not that simple. I run both systems. While my Mac can see Windows drives, the otherway around doesn't work. Windows has never seen fit to
program it's system to read OS X formatted drives. If she has an OS X desktop then it should be as easy as you say :)
She has a Netbook therefore it likely has Android as a operation software. Regardless of the operations system on her MacPro, it should see the netbook as a external drive. I've used software in the past to allow me to read Mac files on a Windows PC. :tup:
OB, she said it's a MacPro netbook, unless she's fiddled with it, it's running OSX. Yes Microsoft is capable of seeing Mac formatted drives with special software. You can't just plug the Netbook up to the PC it won't read the drive. I know I use both systems. I have plugged Mac formatted drives into my Win7 machine and you need to dig into the Admin privileges to see it and only then it turns up as a raw drive with no operating system showing. Apple knows all the external drives are formatted in NTFS now a days and will natively read them. MS is not so open minded.