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Software, Editing and Printing => Paintshop Pro => Topic started by: Karen on September 03, 2012, 12:47:53 AM

Title: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 03, 2012, 12:47:53 AM
I'm waiting on this version coming by post so I will post when Ive had a play with it to see what the changes or improvements are. Ive used PSP for years through the different versions so will be interested to see what this one brings to the table.
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: SimonW on September 03, 2012, 09:11:30 AM
Like you, I've used PSP since it was a free thing, and now use X4 in preference to Adobe Elements much of the time. X4 still has one or two very odd bugs but they don't seem to affect the results. For example, if I use print layout (I often find the PSP print options much handier that Elements) when I go back to edit mode the first photo I ever edited in X4 opens up in addition to those I'm working on. It's easy enough to close it of course, but try as I might I can't stop it happening again every time.

Simon
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Oldboy on September 03, 2012, 09:14:05 AM
I used to use PSP until it started naming all pictures as PSP files!  :P
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Hinfrance on September 03, 2012, 10:45:52 AM
I could never get it to install in English on top of my French OS.

Elements is so nearly there as a photographers' tool - there is so much in CS that I would never use, but Elements is missing some, well, key elements, like 16 bit editing and a proper curves adjustment layer.

So mostly I use Serif's Photoplus - it can be flaky at times, but it is much more like the real deal.

Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 03, 2012, 10:58:08 AM
I started with PSP and when I started my wedding photography business I thought I'd try photoshop basically cause it was "the" thing to use but I quickly went back to PSP as I found it did all the things I wanted to do only quicker and easier than photoshop.
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 04, 2012, 04:43:05 PM
Oh Ive died and gone to heaven. This version is vastly superior to the X2 Ive been using. They have split the workspace into "manage" "adjust" and "edit" which is lovely because its was always too cramped before. Designing your own workspace and toolbars is easy and therefore makes it intuative to use. The additional CD with Nik Color Effex Pro on it is a welcome addition and good value. When using these it now opens up the photo in a central window with much more control over the level of effect than the old ones. The Raw editor seems good as well although I havent had much chance to play with that yet. Really good value I would have to say I'm well pleased with it.
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Hinfrance on September 04, 2012, 06:04:07 PM
Glad you like it :tup:
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Hinfrance on September 05, 2012, 04:05:55 PM
I popped over to the Corel site to see what was what (I am a big fan of Aftershot Pro and run that as often as I run Lightroom, the 'Perfectly Clear' button often saves loads of work - just run it on a layer and adjust the transparency for almost flawless results, and there are excellent low cost or free film emulation and other plugins available. It is a super fast and very competent RAW editor).

Anyway, PSP Pro 4 Ultimate is being banged out for only $39.95 plus VAT, which seemed to me like a bit of a bargain and certainly the cheapest way to get my hands on Nik Colour Effex, even if it is an obsolescent version, so I bought it.

This time it installed in English on my French language system (you can choose multiple interface languages, how cool is that?) and a few minutes fiddling with it have taught me a few things.

1. The RAW editor is not spectacularly good and it seems will only output 8 bit images. Given that it handled a test RAW image very well in the 'adjust' module this may be a moot point. But X4 is cheap because X5 is coming out and will probably borrow some of the RAW processing technology from Aftershot (Bibble).
2. Everything else seems excellent. Built in just about everything and it's quite quick too.

So basically, if on a budget you can get PSP Pro Ultimate and Aftershot Pro for less than $100 plus VAT. Now that has to be very good news :tup:
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 06, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
Thanks for posting this because I was looking at aftershot and wondering if it was worthwhile bagging a copy. I think I might just go get one.  :'( more money
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Hinfrance on September 06, 2012, 10:22:48 AM
You can always get the trial Karen, and see if you like it.
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 06, 2012, 10:40:50 AM
Thats true I'll do that thanks
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 06, 2012, 11:40:17 AM
Downloaded trial and it looks good. I'll play around with it for a few days
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 07, 2012, 01:56:57 PM
Have ordered a copy I really like it
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Hinfrance on September 07, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
Glad to hear it! I really like it too. While it might tempt you to spend yet more hard earned pennies, you might find it worth investing 20 bucks in the full 'nostalgia' plugin. Just sayin' :)
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 07, 2012, 07:32:47 PM
haha go away you're costing me too much. I just bought PSP a new camera and a new lens and now ASP all in the one week I'll get killed if I chance anymore lol  :legit:
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Oldboy on September 07, 2012, 11:40:06 PM
Quote from: Karen on September 07, 2012, 07:32:47 PM
haha go away you're costing me too much. I just bought PSP a new camera and a new lens and now ASP all in the one week I'll get killed if I chance anymore lol  :legit:

Come on, you know you want too!  :2funny: :-*
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 11, 2012, 11:38:01 PM
Still waiting on my aftershot Pro arriving hopefully tomorrow  :-\
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Hinfrance on September 12, 2012, 06:33:04 AM
Why don't you download it?

I've found that Paintshop hangs on PEF files, and is very very slow to start, around half an hour  :knuppel2:, if the organiser is focused on images not in the default images folder (in my case hardly any, as they are all on removable drives).

It has some very interesting features though and it is early days yet for me in getting to know it.
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 12, 2012, 07:21:55 AM
Im old fashioned hehe I like a box. Mines is never slow to load. Im not so impressed with the HDR function on X4 as X2 I still havent mastered what Im meant to do with it yet the old one was easy just align your shots and then decide how strong the effect needed to be this one doesnt seem to have the same flexibility
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: SimonW on September 13, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
Hinfrance,

I've used PSP since its extremely early (free) JASC days and found it very useful though with occasional odd bugs - and I think that's still the case. But my PSP X4 opens and runs very quickly, and works fine with my Pentax PEF RAW files - though I do prefer Adobe Camera Raw for doing this.

Just recently PSP started crashing whenever I tried to go from Edit or Adjust (where the organiser bar appeared as it should) to the Manage Module. (I suspect that this started to happen after I started to use the Adobe Elements organiser on the same machine, thinking I might use it instead.) Anyway, Corel's support replied overnight to my request for help:-

Thank you for contacting Corel Customer Support.The issue is most likely related to the corrupt cache files in the program. To troubleshoot the issue, we need to restore the program into its factory default to rebuild the cache file the next time you use the software. To do this, please press Shift key then hold, launch Corel PaintShop Pro X4 and accept the default workspace when prompted. Refer to the following Knowledge Base article for the related information:
http://corel.force.com/index/articles/en_US/Master_Article/How-to-reset-or-restore-PaintShop-Pro-X4-to-its-default-or-original-settings
Regards, Nelson,Corel Customer Support Services

This fixed my fault and gave me added confidence in Corel. Perhaps it will help you as well.

Simon
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Hinfrance on September 13, 2012, 03:08:48 PM
Done a shift run-up and it is starting much more quickly now.

It still hangs when trying to open a PEF file. I have a K10D too, so I tried one of those as you reckon they are OK, but no difference. Going off to have a look at the tutorials for a while.
Title: Re: Paint shop pro x4 Ultimate
Post by: Karen on September 19, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
God I'm such a saddo I find myself always loading up X2 cause I'm so used to it. I'm just going to sell X4 ultimate I think :legit: