Following on from my seemingly controversial post regarding lens blur in Lightroom here's another bit of useless information...............or maybe not. :dance: Now go on be honest, who wouldn't find this little feature (Content-Aware Fill Sneak Peek) perhaps to come with CS5 on April 12th just a little bit useful?
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=372971674670
Info regarding release date etc here http://cs5launch.adobe.com/
I knew CS5 was imminent because Adobe have been trying to palm CS4 off on me for a bargain £350 ;) fat chance.
I saw some of the other content aware stuff and a few more new things is CS5 a couple of months ago, Clicky Linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BShE_jS8jLE)
and Clicky Linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKjs8ZjQNg&feature=related) for content aware reshuffle amazing stuff
Dave
More to the point I've finally managed NOT to buy an upgrade :)
I stuck with CS3 even though it doesn't understand 'blad files. Now I can splurge on CS5. I skipped a whole 18 months of Adobe Tax :)
But yeah that video looks like sorcery. And I want it ;)
That's my subscription to the Adobe Tax signed up for.
Must have feature?
There it is in a nutshell - content aware!
I might pay a smaller tax to get it in elements 9. I haven't upgraded that for a while now. :)
Quote from: picsfor on March 24, 2010, 11:06:18 AM
That's my subscription to the Adobe Tax signed up for.
Must have feature?
There it is in a nutshell - content aware!
Me too its amazing stuff :tup:
My wife has now studied the video in depth and has decided that we will go into business as divorce photographers.
That is when relationships and marriages break down we will use this wonderful new tool to clone out the unwanted partner from all the pictures.
In bad taste?
Watch and see who advertises the service first!
Quote from: picsfor on March 24, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
My wife has now studied the video in depth and has decided that we will go into business as divorce photographers.
That is when relationships and marriages break down we will use this wonderful new tool to clone out the unwanted partner from all the pictures.
In bad taste?
Watch and see who advertises the service first!
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
That is unbelievable! :o
Dont it look great cant wait to have a go with it,
Seriously impressed with that, god knows what spec machine you`d need to have to run it at any sort of reasonable pace though!
Quote from: minky_monkey on March 25, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
Seriously impressed with that, god knows what spec machine you`d need to have to run it at any sort of reasonable pace though!
a nice 24inch iMac with 3.06ghz duo processor, 4gb ram and 512mb graphics memory :dance:
(or better :tup:)
Quote from: minky_monkey on March 25, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
Seriously impressed with that, god knows what spec machine you`d need to have to run it at any sort of reasonable pace though!
From what I hear....CS5 will offload a lot of the work to the GPU rather than the CPU. So graphics card can become just as important as main processor.
My new laptop has the highest spec graphics card Apple would let me buy. Using Hasselblad's Phocus (which uses the GPU) it's significantly faster than my 2.66 quad core Mac Pro with a ton of memory in it. Time for a new graphics card.....
So how much dedicated graphics memory can you get for your quad core?
I remember Dell offering a graphics card with 1gb of dedicated memory and a dual GPU last year. Wasn't cheap but it was billed as a CAD buster.
Quote from: Jonathan on March 25, 2010, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: minky_monkey on March 25, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
Seriously impressed with that, god knows what spec machine you`d need to have to run it at any sort of reasonable pace though!
From what I hear....CS5 will offload a lot of the work to the GPU rather than the CPU. So graphics card can become just as important as main processor.
My new laptop has the highest spec graphics card Apple would let me buy. Using Hasselblad's Phocus (which uses the GPU) it's significantly faster than my 2.66 quad core Mac Pro with a ton of memory in it. Time for a new graphics card.....
This is not new - CS4 also uses the GPU to allow flicks and stuff - and works really well!
I'd like to say, that I'll not buy it - but I suspect that I'll not be able to resist. :-[
arhh dammit, I was thinking of getting CS4 now saw a tweet, (anyone who wants to see the video and more to the right on CS5 on youtube is here http://bit.ly/cFZpcj ) CS4 or hold till CS5 hmm?
Quote from: CML-1591 on March 25, 2010, 11:00:15 PM
arhh dammit, I was thinking of getting CS4 now saw a tweet, (anyone who wants to see the video and more to the right on CS5 on youtube is here http://bit.ly/cFZpcj ) CS4 or hold till CS5 hmm?
If you've got CS3 then wait for CS5, as it will save you a few bob. ;D
Another crutch for the careless and sloppy? :o
Can't wait to get it. :tup:
Quote from: anglefire on March 25, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
This is not new - CS4 also uses the GPU to allow flicks and stuff - and works really well!
Apparently not so much on a Mac. New version should use all my memory
and the GPU.
Quote from: picsfor on March 25, 2010, 08:04:02 PM
So how much dedicated graphics memory can you get for your quad core?
Rumour is there will be new cards announced any day now. Which wouldn't surprise me at all - Adobe and Apple are still pretty good friends.
Quote from: CML-1591 on March 25, 2010, 11:00:15 PM
arhh dammit, I was thinking of getting CS4 now saw a tweet, (anyone who wants to see the video and more to the right on CS5 on youtube is here http://bit.ly/cFZpcj ) CS4 or hold till CS5 hmm?
CML thats the Video in the original post :2funny: :2funny: wakey wakey
Check these out from my post #2 their more in depth about content aware tool
Clicky Linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BShE_jS8jLE)
and
Clicky Linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKjs8ZjQNg&feature=related) for content aware reshuffle amazing stuff
Dave
BTW this probably isn't news to anybody but it was a surprise to me....April 12th is NOT the launch date It's the "feature reveal" date. When we find out what other goodies are in it. FTW
I was all excited about that too. :(
That would make sense as the current beta 2 release of LR isn't due to expire until the end of June at which time (hopefully) we'll see the final release. In order to maintain full compatibility between LR and PS in terms of camera raw then I would expect them to be released at approximately the same time.
Quote from: Jonathan on March 26, 2010, 09:03:45 AM
BTW this probably isn't news to anybody but it was a surprise to me....April 12th is NOT the launch date It's the "feature reveal" date. When we find out what other goodies are in it. FTW
I was all excited about that too. :(
Yes Jonathan, its only the reveal day so it shouldnt be far from its release date, though, Cant wait to have a go with it
Quote from: Just Dave on March 26, 2010, 08:35:54 AM
Quote from: CML-1591 on March 25, 2010, 11:00:15 PM
arhh dammit, I was thinking of getting CS4 now saw a tweet, (anyone who wants to see the video and more to the right on CS5 on youtube is here http://bit.ly/cFZpcj ) CS4 or hold till CS5 hmm?
CML thats the Video in the original post :2funny: :2funny: wakey wakey
Dave
I know thats why I said 'SEE THE VIDEO on youtube and more to the right'
Quote from: Oldboy on March 25, 2010, 11:44:51 PM
If you've got CS3 then wait for CS5, as it will save you a few bob. ;D
I don't have any form of CS just photoshop elements 6 and CS4 at uni...
Quote from: Jonathan on March 26, 2010, 07:45:47 AM
Adobe and Apple are still pretty good friends.
You haven't heard about the flash war then? Still, I suppose all good friends slag each other off violently and in public. I'm just so old fashioned ;)
Quote from: CML-1591 on March 25, 2010, 11:00:15 PM
I know thats why I said 'SEE THE VIDEO on youtube and more to the right'
Quote from: Oldboy on March 25, 2010, 11:44:51 PM
If you've got CS3 then wait for CS5, as it will save you a few bob. ;D
:)
Quote from: picsfor on March 25, 2010, 08:04:02 PM
So how much dedicated graphics memory can you get for your quad core?
I remember Dell offering a graphics card with 1gb of dedicated memory and a dual GPU last year. Wasn't cheap but it was billed as a CAD buster.
I've just got a new Dell laptop for work that has an NVidia FX3800M with 1Gb on it. It sits nicely with the dual quad-core and 16Gb memory!! I'm using it for 3D CAD so need some decent horse power. It comes in handy for photo editing too :tup:
That content awareness in CS5 looks amazing, I was audiably shocked when the tree dissapeared. Can't wait to have a go for real.
Cheers
Steve
Apparently "content aware" is not as new as every one thinks.
Bankers and MP's have been using it for some time to make our money disappear :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Quote from: picsfor on March 26, 2010, 10:15:00 PM
Apparently "content aware" is not as new as every one thinks.
Bankers and MP's have been using it for some time to make our money disappear :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: Love it, nice one
Hi
More Photoshop CS5 Content-Aware Fill Sneak Peek Awesomeness, cant wait, LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ScWu7pG7r0
Dave
well that video went down well LOL cant wait for it to come out
Yeah that content aware fill looks OK. But Puppet Warp it pure sorcery - seriously check out the vid on Adobe it's insane.
Bye bye posing skills.....
cs5 - 2 good reasons to upgrade:
content aware
puppet warp
actually - good reasons to purchase. would love to see the pradar tutorials on those features :doh:
OK I just downloaded PS CS5 this morning. I had some editing to do and it seemed like a good test, I thought I'd use it all day and then consider whether to buy it or not. It didn't work out like that.
10 mins into my "test" I jumped over to Adobe and got my credit card out. For me it's that good.
You need to remember
1. I retouch more than actually edit stuff - colour and contrast in LR, local editing in PS but it's fairly light duty stuff. The pic looks pretty similar when I finish to when I start.
2. I'm on an Intel Mac running Leopard (Snow Leopard is in a box ready to install when I get round to it). I have a decent though elderly graphics card and a LOT of memory.
3. I sat CS4 out - I'm comparing CS5 to CS3.
The bad:
It appears that Imagenomic don't support CS5 yet - that's major for me because until they do I'll need to tweak skin in CS3. Fortunately for the pics today the model has flawless skin and an incredibly talented MUA.
Adobe tax is about £20 higher than I expected. All up the upgrade will be about £192 to my door. I was expecting £170 for some reason.
The good:
Everything else. Actually I haven't used much of it but there are 2 standout things
1. Content aware fill works. It really does. Not in all the silly pics where people have tried to remove clothes. But real world - there's a thing in the pic that annoys me, circle it, hit delete then enter and 50% + it's gone with no further work required. That number will go up as I figure out its strengths.
2. It's FAST. They changed the zoom controls which annoyed me for about 45 seconds. Now I love them. I'm editing 16 bit files off the 'blad. These weigh in at 180MB plus. I can zoom, scroll and throw the file around like it's a 20MB snap. Zoom is ultra smooth right up to 500% where it breaks into a mosaic. But there's not really much point in 500% zoom :)
Why Jonathan? >:(
Why do you do it? ???
You know full well some of us will want to avail ourselves of these news toys! :tup:
And 16 bit editing as well!
I really like the sound of this software, and I could just about scrape together enough for an upgrade - trouble is I don't have a version to upgrade and the initial price is just way too high for the likes of me.
Doomed I tell you, doomed . .
I've taken half a plunge and downloaded the trial - some 5.62gb for the whole collection which i'm gonna install.
Well my wife was a user of the CS Suite until redundancy last year so she's keen to see what 5 has to offer other than Photoshop goodies.
However, the credit card has been firmly given to the wife to hold onto until i'm reduced to a frothing, ranting spoiled little boy!
I've already pulled the trigger - but I'll get the DL in a minute and try it for real. But everything I've read says its well worth it!
I've been playing with it since yesterday lunchtime, god there's a lot to learn.
I'm in total awe of the Constant Aware fill tool, especially when used on panoramas. No need to crop them anymore, just use the constant aware fill tool.
Harry
Have a look at these panos http://www.pbase.com/raphaels/image/124088138/large (http://www.pbase.com/raphaels/image/124088138/large) and the cs3 one here http://www.pbase.com/raphaels/image/124001772 (http://www.pbase.com/raphaels/image/124001772) imho an excellent example of what this fill tool can do for you. and I think the pano is better processed in cs5.
Colin, The "Content Aware" fill tool takes just seconds and require just two mouse clicks and one keyboard actuation. I tried it out yesterday with shots from my garden. Hopefully I will be able to get out today and take a reasonable pano, if so I will upload it tonight.
Harry
Hi
yeah I plunged the button got CS5 The "Content Aware" fill tool bit hit and miss if you ask me, yeah sure it is OK, for me you should need to selection where the fill is coming from eg. I did content aware on this image , I made a selection of the tree, with the lasso tool and hit delete, notice the birds head came on replace from content aware, OK good starting point , but you dont seem to have much control over the result maybe CS6 will have,
"Content Aware" fill, Notice the head of the bird on the stump,(He He Look Like there 2 of them), Ok it may be me so how do you refine the area of source fill, ok it did a good job for a start, Obviously I could use content aware, scaling to remove the tree, but I was just testing content aware fill. LOL it even cpoied the dust bunnies Ha Ha, they are no more I cleaned my sensor today
Please feel free to download my 1st image and show me your first content aware fill,(Not Scaling Aware) image no other PP
Or show me your images with content aware fill, NOT content aware Scaling
Original
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4618019875_bea0ef7874_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4622979040_208bb517bd.jpg)
any ideas on how to control the source of the aware fill
TIA
Dave
Dave
Not sure how to select the clone from area but this is my attempt.
1: Rectangular marquee tool to select most of the upright tree.
2: Content aware fill
3: Tidy up with content aware healing brush with a large size.
Time taken about 30-45 seconds.
Quote from: Just Dave on May 20, 2010, 12:21:32 AM
Please feel free to download my 1st image and show me your first content aware fill,(Not Scaling Aware) image no other PP
Um, so you want us to edit your picture using only a tool that you've shown doesn't work for this application? That's a bit like asking me to change a tyre using only an adjustable spanner. ;) Possibly it could be done but not that well. And what's the point seeing there's a wheel brace right next to the spanner?
Step 3 in Colin's is the key. CAF will get you 90% of the way to lots of jobs. In many cases it will get you 100% of the way there. But the clone tool and patch tool and healing brush and paint brush and lasso and marquee are all still there and have their uses.
I'm missing the point with this thread.
Why was Content Aware even being used?
Just crop the shot!
I fully appreciate we are all eager to try out this new wonder toy (and others listed) but this was not a good example to work with.
Sorry Dave - crop tool is all i would have used on this shot!
Hi
Yes I know how to do it just saying its not all its cracked up to be when we saw the content aware pre release videos
Hi soz we posted same time yes I did edit it using content aware scaling just saying aware fill is not that brill its a bit hit and miss
yes agree that "C A" is not the wonder drug that many were hoping for.
I've given it a go and have concluded the LR3 is more likely to get my upgrade dosh than CS5.
Content Aware and Puppet Warp are both nice when used in best conditions - but as said CS6 or 7 may be nearer the development time for reliable feature within PS.
OK, thought i would post one of my CA test shots. It's my old favourite - the Fulking Village sign, but it makes a good test shot.
(http://cameracraniums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_CA%20Comp.jpg) (http://cameracraniums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/CA%20Comp.jpg)
Whilst i can see "imperfections" there is no doubt that 'CA' has done a real good job in this case - have highlighted only 2 areas - the telephone pole and the wall and then allowed 'CA' to make its best guess.
I have no idea what PS uses as its comparison to make the 'intelligent' replacement with - but clearly it seems to have worked in this case.
Maybe Mr Kelby has a book in the offing dealing with this very subject.
Hi
Yes agree its done a reasonable job,as it did with my shot, wonder is there a way to refine were the fill source is coming from
he he I like the sign well spotted
I do not know of any way of selecting a source point.
I get the impression it is more of an 'intelligent' tool - probably based on fractals. You never see a good graphics programmer without fractals being thrown in to the pot some where :tup:
As for the village sign - Fulking is located on the north side of the South Downs just north of Brighton - by Devils Dyke. It even has its own hill called 'The Fulking Hill', but it doesn't have a 'Fulking Arms', Fulking School or Fulking Police Station. Yes the boyish jokes are endless but it's nice to be able to beat all those spam checkers occasinaly :beer:
I have been reading up on CA fill and not found anything about selecting where it clones from BUT everything I have read says to choose lots of the background that you want to be used in the replacement as well as what you want replaced. In other words don't select too tight to what you want CA to fill.
I suspect as more people use it the tricks will be published. Remember it is just one tool in your arsenal not the be all and end all.
I find that CA works extremely well on panoramas, but I get the impression that CS5 expands the image (especially when the area to be rebuilt is on the small side) rather than filling it in.
Pre CA.
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/hssutton/SkidbrookChurchpreCA.jpg)
Post CA + a little HDR toning
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/hssutton/SkidbrookChurchsmall.jpg)
Harry
More about content aware fill: HERE (http://www.designer-daily.com/hilarious-parody-more-photoshop-cs5-content-aware-fill-6007)
:D :D :tup:
:2funny:
Lol I saw that a few months ago still funny though ;D
Still havent worked out how to get my CS5 to do that, anyone know of a decent tutorial,then I can make an action and just set CS5 too work, then I could spend more time togging LOL
Well I downloaded the trial, just to see what I was missing.
When I create a selection and press <delete>, delete is exactly what it does, no dialogue box appears. So that's the killer reason to mortgage body parts not working then . .
Lo Howard was you doing it on a background layer, if not thats your problem
Content aware I got rid of the mesh and scaffold think it did a fair job :legit:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4649857389_f45011c214.jpg)
RESULT think it nearly worked :2funny:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4649857725_189f3798d4.jpg)
:2funny:
Quote from: Just Dave on May 29, 2010, 05:42:19 PM
Lo Howard was you doing it on a background layer, if not thats your problem
Alas not -I figured it would only work on layers, so I duplicated the layer first.
Cracking job it did on your crane and scaffolding though . . :)
I hope you are only joking and didn't really think CA fill could sort this one?
Anyway, downloaded the RC1 version of ACR6.1 this morning. One of the things it has added is lens correction at the RAW stage - and well it works. :)
Quote from: anglefire on May 29, 2010, 09:11:24 PM
I hope you are only joking and didn't really think CA fill could sort this one?
:hehe: joke no, not me, I think it did a great job few more passes and I would have a multi story car park :legit:
Quote from: anglefire on May 29, 2010, 09:11:24 PM
Anyway, downloaded the RC1 version of ACR6.1 this morning. One of the things it has added is lens correction at the RAW stage - and well it works. :)
Better late than never ;D
Anyway, anyone got any recommendations on how to get this missing wundertool to work?
in my picture above i just used the lasso and drew around the item i wanted to remove and hit the delete key.
A second later up popped the CA dialogue box where upon i let it do as it wanted.
The resulting picture is what it produced.
Quote from: picsfor on May 30, 2010, 07:47:04 PM
in my picture above i just used the lasso and drew around the item i wanted to remove and hit the delete key.
A second later up popped the CA dialogue box where upon i let it do as it wanted.
The resulting picture is what it produced.
Thats about it you can use any selection tool, hit delete, check to make sure content aware is in the task box, click ok job done
No, that's not what happens.
Make a selection, hit delete, selection contents deleted - no option, no dialogue, nada, rien , zip, zilch.
It's no wonder I hate Adobe products, they just don't work.
Uninstalled and reinstalled. Still doesn't work. Glad I didn't spend £700 on this turkey. Not that I can afford it anyway ;)
Are you working on a layer?
On a layer the delete key deletes. On the background it opens the fill dialogue.
Quote from: Jonathan on May 31, 2010, 09:51:52 AM
Are you working on a layer?
On a layer the delete key deletes. On the background it opens the fill dialogue.
Quote from: Just Dave on May 29, 2010, 05:42:19 PM
Lo Howard was you doing it on a background layer, if not thats your problem
Thats what I said so totally agree
Quote from: Jonathan on May 31, 2010, 09:51:52 AM
Are you working on a layer?
On a layer the delete key deletes. On the background it opens the fill dialogue.
Dave, the double negative in your reply confused my simple mind. I admit it, I would never have worked this out in a million years, because I would never apply an adjustment of any sort to a background layer; it simply never occurs to me to do so.
No wonder I can't got on with Adobe software - what moron programmed an adjustment to only work on a background layer? It's a rule, and a good one, that when you are editing you NEVER make any changes to the background layer.
So essentially this tool can only be applied to a copy of an original file as it is completely destructive. Idiotic.
And now that I've tried it a few times (endless thanks for telling me how to) I can see that it doesn't work any better (in fact in some ways even worse) than the one in the Magix photo 9 editor.
I suppose there is just the vaguest of chances that if I live to be a 100 Adobe might finally produce something that works in a logical way. But it'll still be overpriced. :legit:
Hi Howard, yeah suppose I wasn't as clear as I could have been, sorry, I do agree though it is a bad move to be editing a background layer, I would never normally do that, as you say its distributive, and a No No to me, but that's how it works, it is a bit hit and miss also, as I have mentioned before, I wonder if somewhere some how you can adjust/ refine the sources of the patchmatch/content aware fill
I haven't got CS5 - yet :) - but would this work? Double-click on the background layer lock symbol to unlock it, immediately duplicate that layer followed by unchecking the original background layer to not make it visible. Carry on editing - layers etc, and then when it comes to flattening the layers merge only visible. That way the original background layer will still be preserved untouched.
Quote from: Tringle WP on May 31, 2010, 04:58:19 PM
So essentially this tool can only be applied to a copy of an original file as it is completely destructive. Idiotic.
You know, there's just a small chance they actually thought about this before releasing it....I've worked in dev teams and there's no way a single "moron" would be allowed to take a decision like that.
For one thing it makes no real sense to remove items on a layer. For another I've a funny feeling the maths involved in CA fill gets quite heavy allowing it on a layer may make your processor grind to a halt.
Anyway, as with all layer based restrictions, there's a simple work round. Dupe your layer into a new document, do the CA fill there and then drag it onto your original document while holding the shift key. I bet you could also do something cunning with smart objects.
Or use Magix Photo 9.
Quote from: Jonathan on May 31, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
Anyway, as with all layer based restrictions, there's a simple work round. Dupe your layer into a new document, do the CA fill there and then drag it onto your original document while holding the shift key. I bet you could also do something cunning with smart objects.
Thats what I do, but you could well be right about the smart object
Quote from: Jonathan on May 31, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Tringle WP on May 31, 2010, 04:58:19 PM
So essentially this tool can only be applied to a copy of an original file as it is completely destructive. Idiotic.
...I've worked in dev teams and there's no way a single "moron" would be allowed to take a decision like that.
Me too, and the number of times things that are really stupid are left in because some product manager likes his/her way of doing things (or it's too late to change) even in the teeth of opposition from developers and testers are legion. Well dozens, anyway.
I'm in the middle of a closed beta test at the moment, and I can guarantee that lots of issues will be signed off as 'by design'. Most won't matter much, but there will be a few humdingers left in the final product.
I stand by the charge that a filter that works only on a background layer is just plain against nature.
I'm not going to get too excited about it - I've only got 29 days left with it for company anyway :)
I wasn't aware that a dialogue box came up when you pressed DEL on a background layer - till I read this!
However, another work around is to go to Edit and select Fill = or press Shift F5.
Quote from: anglefire on May 31, 2010, 10:16:45 PM
I wasn't aware that a dialogue box came up when you pressed DEL on a background layer - till I read this!
However, another work around is to go to Edit and select Fill = or press Shift F5.
Oh, cool! Still can't think of a great reason for using it on a layer but when I do this would be good.
I suppose the delete key is trying to guess what you want to do. On a layer you are deleting. On b/g it makes no sense to delete - you have to fill with something.
Useful bit of info Mark, ta.
So yet another UI inconsistency. You guys must spend years getting to grips with this stuff - to me it's like trying to learn a foreign language that has no syntax or regular verbs. There is clearly a different and unique meaning of the word 'logical' in San José. ::)
Just come across another UI inconsistency. I have set preferences/units to cms, so guess what units the crop presets are in? Yep, that's right inches.
And people pay good money for this stuff, you know.