No idea why, but Adobe sent me the link for this. So I downloaded it. Alas it crashed at 73% of building the initial catalogue - which I presume is an identical module to the older version as it is not mentioned in the improvements and changes list.
Still I get to play with it (if I can get it running) for 3 months instead of 30 days for the previous trials, so it's got to be worth a go, hasn't it?
I've tried it and it trashed my Mac.
I had to rebuild it to over come the effects it had on my Mac. It is the only thing to have caused any problems with the Mac in over a year!
I did enjoy some of the features whilst the new import dialogue box annoyed the hell out of me.
I pop into the forum to see what's going on and I've thought of downloading it again - but I'm still a bit fearful of what happened last time.
Working in B&W is a dream compared with LR2 and the demosaic process really is an improvement over the current process.
As i have previously said, i have as yet to see anything that really jumps out at me and say "open your wallet" for the upgrade.
Let's see how i get when i've finished this DAM book that Forseti recommended.
Quote from: picsfor on January 21, 2010, 11:04:54 AM
Let's see how i get when i've finished this DAM book that Forseti recommended.
Ah, so you got it then. :tup: First impressions?
I'm on Chapter 2 at the moment.
It's a very good book from what i've read it.
It is at the dry point - explaining the 'technology' before explaining the practice.
To be fair - the explanations are quite interesting and already show a few misconceptions on my part and also explain some of your comments.
The interesting point he has made thus far is the one about hanging on to all pictures except the absolute duffers (like kept lens cap on etc) because as software technology evolves so does the ability to fix pictures that were considered duffers at the time.
In that i can have an understanding. I've been shooting RAW since 2004 on my Nikon 5700 and RAW handling then was atrocious - but now it is a whole new world - and some of those old 5700 pictures are looking useful.
History rarely repeats itself so pictures of the past tend to acquire a value after a while - because they are the only record of that past. So long as you still know you have that picture!
Quote from: picsfor on January 21, 2010, 11:27:39 AM
It's a very good book from what i've read it.
I thought you'd like it. :)
Quote from: picsfor on January 21, 2010, 11:27:39 AM
It is at the dry point - explaining the 'technology' before explaining the practice.
I think the problem with a lot of us is that we tend to scratch the surface of so many things, get entrenched in our ways and convince ourselves that this is the only and best way - closing our minds to anything alternative. We then reach a point of no return and simply plod on with the shambles that we've gotten ourselves into.
Quote from: picsfor on January 21, 2010, 11:27:39 AM
The interesting point he has made thus far is the one about hanging on to all pictures except the absolute duffers (like kept lens cap on etc)
Bit difficult to achieve with an SLR I would have thought - after all you won't be able to see through the lens in which case it's the tog whose a duffer not the image. :2funny:
Oh well, won't keep you - chapter 3 awaits. :tup:
I was sent the link from Adobe yesterday and it download first time no problem. Not had much of a play with it but like Andrew said that import dialoge box is annoying. I have never used Lightroom before so stand by for a few questions............. :legit:
I can't get the catalogue up and running. It stopped at 11800 images and won't synchronise or add any more. It just stops.
Still at least Windows is not as fragile as a Mac, eh Andrew ;) - everything else still works ;D
Quote from: Tringle WP on January 21, 2010, 12:35:04 PM
I can't get the catalogue up and running. It stopped at 11800 images and won't synchronise or add any more. It just stops.
In the Import dialogue you haven't by any chance got build 1:1 previews selected have you? If so, then Standard or even better Minimal should be selected as this only effects the thumbnail image in the Library and LR will import much quicker without this extra burden.
Hi Forseti - can't see a preview size choice box in the new import dialogue. Ive got previews set to the default 1440 in preferences. Later : It does not build previews until the images are selected, hence its previous speed advantage over version 2 - but it can take up to 12 seconds to render a preview when a picture is selected.
It WAS running really significantly faster than the last version I tried right up until it this wall. I seem to be able to import more images but only in much smaller chunks. If I select my 'pictures' folder and try to import the missing odd 5000 it adds them to the dialogue (eventually, after checking for duplicates) and then imports exactly one (1) image before seizing up.
And lights out now puts a white border around the centred image - what's the point in that?
Quote from: Tringle WP on January 21, 2010, 01:46:28 PM
It does not build previews until the images are selected, hence its previous speed advantage over version 2
Ah, ok then. I haven't tried version 3 so wasn't aware that they had changed this aspect of things.
Maybe this is one of the reasons why the new dialogue annoys Andrew so much?
Out of interest I've just watched Episode 1 of 3 videos on LR3. There IS the option to select Preview quality upon Import - see screenshot. (now deleted) Ensure you have 'Add' to catalogue selected (top just right of centre). Remember this is preview quality not size and until you go to the Develop module to edit (at which stage an 1:1 preview is built automatically) you don't need them in the library grid view particularly.
These videos can be found here: http://tv.adobe.com/product/lightroom
Quote from: Tringle WP on January 21, 2010, 12:35:04 PM
I can't get the catalogue up and running. It stopped at 11800 images and won't synchronise or add any more. It just stops.
Still at least Windows is not as fragile as a Mac, eh Andrew ;) - everything else still works ;D
But you see, my Mac didn't stop at 11800 images - it plundered on to 30586. It displayed everything in glorious full size and in excellent clarity (oh those wonderful Mac screens :tup: )
However, i accepted this was a beta and backed everything up prior to testing and then my rebuild took a whole 15 minutes when i asked it to restore from the moment before i installed the beta :tup:
Microsoft are still struggling to match Time Machine!!!
I was able to configure it to back up at the end of the session (almost worth an upgrade) not like the beginning with LR2.
As i said, i gave it a fairly good testing - but it just made the Mac go slower and slower - and i put this down to maybe the upgrade to Snow Leopard in conjunction with this being Beta software.
I'm due for another testing session shortly - so i'll let you know how i get on.
I knew you'd find an answer Forseti.
Alas my broadband is not fast enough for video streaming, and I didn't bother even looking there because the intro said editing and output improvements on V2 and everything worked the same. Clearly it doesn't. When I select 'import' I get this:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/4292515155_3686d10017_o.jpg)
After a while I found the more options button, and eventually I found the file handling menu, which wasn't displayed when the main window opened (I had to scroll to find it). And it was set to 'minimal'. So that's not the answer.
So far I haven't found anything that makes me revise my almost pathological dislike for this piece of software - it remains counter intuitive, obscure, uncommunicative to the user and just plain awkward. The fact that it doesn't work is just the icing on the cake ;)
Now Andrew calm down.
We all know that Macs have nasty shiny screens. Because I am not constantly taking mind altering drugs the world I live in is not entirely covered in highly reflective glistening surfaces, so alas I find Mac screens (and the wanabe PC copies thereof) a big no-no. >:( I'm more than happy with my matt 24 inch high res calibrated HP monitor thank you.
I pretty much feel the same way about high gloss photographs too.
Quote from: Tringle WP on January 21, 2010, 03:07:28 PM
After a while I found the more options button, and eventually I found the file handling menu, which wasn't displayed when the main window opened (I had to scroll to find it). And it was set to 'minimal'. So that's not the answer.
It's set to mini because you won't be using it all the time - only when you've set something specifically as a preset.
Quote from: Tringle WP on January 21, 2010, 03:07:28 PM
So far I haven't found anything that makes me revise my almost pathological dislike for this piece of software - it remains counter intuitive, obscure, uncommunicative to the user and just plain awkward. The fact that it doesn't work is just the icing on the cake
I pretty much held the same view although perhaps not so extreme :'( when version 1 was released. Now I've got the hang of it, and here *patience* is your best friend, I feel completely at home with it.
Edit: I echo your sentiments regarding those glossy screens. I wouldn't have one if you gave it to me.
I'll delete the screenshot from my gallery now as it's served it's purpose so as not to block up the front page.
With LR1 - i couldn't get on with it at all.
I've always been a fan of the software Canon give away with their cameras used in conjunction with Bridge and Photoshop.
When Jonathan pointed out he benefits of LR2 over LR1 i went and gave it another go.
It was still - as you say awkward but during my experimenting i discovered some nice touches. I went and got the book by Martin Evening who explained much more about it.
I then found myself with plenty of time to really give to learn about LR2 and have finally cracked it.
However, in learning LR2 i have adopted a work flow which has created further problems for which Forseti has recommended another book to help solve those problems.
LR2 has most definitely streamlined my work flow and allowed me to process pictures in a way that works for me. I'm really not a 'layers' sort of person.
Give me a spot removal tool, brush, grad filter and crop tool and i can spend hours on a single picture after first having had fun with the sliders.
I think that i may end up with LR3 because of the improved B&W processing and improved back up facilities but i do not think i will be in the 'must have group'.
As is often said on this site - it really is a case of horses for courses.
Well then, reading all about Triangle's love affair with LR, :2funny: and against my better judgement regarding beta versions, I've gone ahead and installed LR3 beta. I'll give it until 30th April at which time the beta version is supposed to expire to test it for functionality, stability and whether or not the proclaimed enhancements e.g. sharpness etc (but not luminance because that has been disabled in the beta to focus attention on the new colour noise reduction algorithms) are worth the final upgrade. Watch this space as they say. :)
It will be interesting to hear/ read your views on it.
I've now given up on it, at least for the time being. This morning it took over 2 hours to import 5 pictures into the library (I left it running while I went on the school run and did a bit of shopping), and then it crashed again.
To cap it all although I can sign on to the adobe forums using Opera I can't post comments simply because the box to enter text won't select, and if I use Firefox I can't even log in - it says ID and password don't match and when I asked for an ID reminder, even though I was sure I had it right (copied it from the Opera window) I received notification of a completely different ID.
It's just not worth the bother.
Interesting to see your take on how difficult it was for you two to get grips with it. Whilst I appreciate that getting the best out of any tool requires time and practice, I find that even doing the basics with LR is a huge struggle and that is just unacceptable to my way of thinking.
I shall keep dipping into this thread to see how the experts get on with it, however I have learnt one thing for sure. I'm buying Bibble. ;)
And i can see how Bibble would work for a lot of people.
Were i not entrenched in LR i might have gone with it myself - it is a good package with some nice features in it that are better than LR.
As has so often been said - horses for courses...
I think perhaps this is a case of where ignorance is bliss.
I downloaded L/R3, immediately, no hiccoughs or problems.
Moved about 500 pictures into the library, no hiccoughs or problems.
Been playing with the devlop and print sections, no hiccoughs or problems.
Just followed what it said on the tin!
No too sure whether it is worth all the hoo-haa, since I've been working with L/room 2 ever since it was released and am delighted with it so I may stick with it and not upgrade to the 3 version when it becomes available. Early days yet though. :-\
That's funny Alan, because Adobe just sent me an email saying don't judge it on the first public beta release because it is full of bugs and unstable . . :)
Which, speaking as a beta tester for a somewhat smaller software company, makes me wonder why it has been put out if that is the case.
Quote from: Tringle WP on January 22, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
That's funny Alan, because Adobe just sent me an email saying don't judge it on the first public beta release because it is full of bugs and unstable . . :)
Which, speaking as a beta tester for a somewhat smaller software company, makes me wonder why it has been put out if that is the case.
Well as I said Howard, I wouldn't know if it was unstable, whatever that means, it just seems to work OK at present.
I certainly won't be making any comments testwise since I know nothing about such programmes or software! I only know what it does do not what it doesn't.
LR3beta - first impressions with the caveat that this is based on a 30 minute play (time shortage today sadly). PC specs: XP Pro SP3, 3.2Ghz, 4GB RAM (only 2.75GB usable probably a limitation of the motherboard I don't really know).
1. I copied and pasted a folder containing 546 unprocessed RAW images from an EHD into a temporary folder on Drive D. Windows indicates the folder to be 6.9GB's in size.
2. Import timed on my watch as being 1 min 25 sec. which I consider very good indeed compared to LR2 - at least on my machine.
3. The resultant catalogue size is indicated as being 4.73MB. Note: this is straight after import, default settings and nothing else done.
Pros: I like the new Import dialogue (sorry Tringle, nothing personal). It's very intuitive, import thumbnails are almost instantaneously shown and I like the ability of adding keywords at import because what you usually put off until tomorrow in fact never gets done at all.
Much requested, and now here, is the ability to append a usable watermark upon Export without the need for additional plug-ins such as LR_Mogrify which I use in LR2. Not only can this be placed anywhere on the image but one is also able to change the opacity. This watermark doesn't appear in the image when viewed in the Library but is available as part of the Export menu which took me a while to figure out.
Cons: Non so far but of course it's early days. One curious thing - a good one minute after closing down LR3beta up popped a Windows message advising that LR3beta is being shut down and do I wish to report this to Microsoft. No explanation for this at all.
I'm reluctant to give advice, especially as concerns things that I have very little knowledge in, but have you perhaps considered starting from scratch Tringle and doing a reinstall of your OS taking it from there. From previous posts it appears that you have such a variety of applications/browsers installed, or at least tested, that it may be that your registry is in a complete mess. I realise that Vista isn't reputed to be good but surely it can't be that bad?
I'm well aware that it's unstable - and this is a point that has been made in many a thread on the LR3 forums.
It's one of those things that annoy me about some of the testers - that they expect a fully working release version to play with. (not having a pop, just a general whinge about some of the people on the forums)
It is not, was not and never intended to be.
As has been said this is a huge PR exercise advertising the new version of the product whilst looking at which of the various features will be a selling point, which features are likely to stop some one upgrading and which features need some work to make them refined to the nth degree ready for release in 2010.
As to whether people upgrade or not will be a personal choice but i'm guessing there will be a huge take up once the final release date is advertised and if the reviewers say it has got some must have features requiring upgrading. If that is so - the LR3 Beta will have achieved its purpose.
Interesting comments one and all.
My registry is just fine thanks. Regularly maintained and the machine is still running just fine and as fast as it ever has. The only thing I was having a problem with was LR.
Just to reiterate - a public beta should be essentially stable, certainly in so far as the application's basics go. Internal testing is done to get the software to that stage - the last public phase is to make sure that nothing has been missed.
I've just downloaded the Bibble time limited trial. I'm off on the school run now, but I'll let you know how it stacks up for library import speed when I get back.
Later: Bibble first run. 753 full sized images, disk size 10.65gb. Imported to library in 1 minute 18 seconds, full previews built in 6 minutes 3 seconds - being Bibble it was doing both things at once to begin with. Catalogue size is 114mb. The catalogue is on a usb EHD.
Vista HP, Intel Quad, 3mb ram.
And, of course the thumbnails appear immediately. And then when scrolling down through the thumbnails there is no rendering delay as in LR.
The best bit about the interface is the tabbed editing modules, no endlessly scrolling up and down.
And then there are layers . .
Ignore me I'm wittering.
OK, i have downloaded and re-installed the current build - which is different from my previous build.
All went ok.
I had used a copy of Sandisk Recue Pro to salvage some images that had been deleted in error and left it to search the complete Time Machine back up EHD and copy them to the secondary 1Tb EHD.
This resulted in a catalogue of some 257k+ images. Many were the icons, or help screen etc and can be deleted with ease.
I used LR3 Beta to catalogue these images to so i could delete the rubbish and track down the images i had accidently lost.
OK, first off - when i click ed on 'Import' it spent a couple of hours trying to catalogue my main internal HD. It would not let me select the secondary EHD until it had parsed that internal HD.
It is 1Tb in size and wasted my time - so that's a clear downer for a start.
When i did eventually manage to get the correct EHD selected it than took 24 hours to import, thumbnail and catalogue some 257k+ images. Because they have all arrived in one large folder it is chugging a bit and deleting unwanted images is taking a while. Not the quickest of procedures - but at least we have concrete evidence it can handle a catlaogue of that size without effort.
The delete dialogue box is the same as LR2 so that's ok - nothing new to learn there.
As has been said before - the demosaic software produces slightly crisper images - and the directory side bar on the left seems to be a lot less fussy than last time - well that's my perception.
Well - back to business - i have 257k+ images to sort through and delete etc + 300+ images from the Speakers Corner meet to import and process in LR2.7 so enough of the chat!
I'm not surprised it took a long time to get through so many images.
Having now installed the Bibble trial I think I now know why LR3 fell over. One of the image files is corrupt. Bibble stopped and told me to skip it, so I did. Result 22105 images imported and previews built in less than 4 hours. These are all photographs from 9mp upwards cameras. Catalogue size is 1.7gb.
Good luck Andrew with sorting that many images, don't envy you that one.
Quote from: picsfor on January 25, 2010, 09:28:31 AM
Well - back to business - i have 257k+ images to sort through and delete etc + 300+ images from the Speakers Corner meet to import and process in LR2.7 so enough of the chat!
Cough :'( I take it this means that you are more or less committed to upgrading to LR3's final release version - and there's me not having upgraded to v2.7 yet? :2funny: :2funny: . Can we also assume that you are taking Adobe at their word in that you'll be able to Export the beta catalogue into v3 because if past history is anything to go by the final release
won't upgrade the beta version - it's a fresh install.
Quote from: Forseti on January 25, 2010, 01:45:32 PM
Cough :'( I take it this means that you are more or less committed to upgrading to LR3's final release version
Not in the least.
As said - i have acquired this catalogue of some 257k of images on EHD no2.
I need to sort them out into the recovered images i want - and all the chaff that i do not want. So i thought i would use the LR3 beta as the tool to play with during this exercise. I have absolutely no intention of clogging up my main image catalogue and processing software with this - aside.
I've still not found that killer application that is worth the £80+ (approx) for an upgrade. Though it has to be said - i can stand as testament to to the claims that LR can handle catalogue's in the order of 100's of 1000's of images without too much effort. Where it does hit the Mac is when i have LR2 open AND LR3 Beta open - it does cough a little bit but nothing that would really stop me working!
Well, back to it - i have images to upload after having done some quick processing from yesterdays meet :tup: Can't stop a good Mac doing what i does best - work ;D :2funny:
I've been playing with the 40 images from the CC meet up last Sunday with Beta3, and am delighted with the print module and the publish link with Flickr.
I've always been a fan of the print module in L/Room, and the added extra of adding a background colour to the image makes all sorts of possibilities available.
I've set up the link to my flickr account and published an image directly to my photostream without all the kerfuffle of posting from my hard drive into Flickr. I'm sure there are some other facilities yet to be discovered! Flickr today, Clickpic tomorrow, who knows? :o :
Yes - i do recall there being some benefits in the print and publish dialogues other than, as Forseti points out, the ability to watermark an image.
I'm still working on the catalogue thing and am now down to 89k of images.
The delete option is much improved over LR2 as is the speed at which it updates and presents thumbnails. A USB 2 EHD is the limiting factor at the moment!
That is its ability to transfer data etc. I'm deleting 10k images at a time and the process is being held up by the USB 2 bottleneck.
Who would have thought USB 2 would become a bottle neck!
Oh well - back to deleting the surplus images until i find the ones i was after!
I may even be able to find time to actually use it and look for that 'killer feature' that requires me to part with some cash!
Just discovered something else new in LR3beta. If you look in the Metadata panel (Library) under the *lens* info there is now a Subject Distance heading. Quite how LR3beta obtains this information I don't know - maybe it's the area of sharpess focus or embedded camera metadata. I just noticed it on one image and the distance reported appears about right. Um, shall have to do set up tests on this one.
Can't see that, like a lot of info that there is in some panels I can't think for the life of me what some of it's there for, only if you have taken the picture under repeatable conditions.
Have noticed that if you have published a picture to Flickr, any comments made on Flickr are recorded on L/R 3.
Quote from: Forseti on January 27, 2010, 10:25:19 PM
Just discovered something else new in LR3beta. If you look in the Metadata panel (Library) under the *lens* info there is now a Subject Distance heading. Quite how LR3beta obtains this information I don't know - maybe it's the area of sharpess focus or embedded camera metadata. I just noticed it on one image and the distance reported appears about right. Um, shall have to do set up tests on this one.
I have to be honest and say that i haven't studied it all in depth yet. I'm down to the least 20 or 30k of recovered pictures to trawl through. Those that i keep i will use for experimenting with. They are after all only 'recovered copies' of files i already have so can experiment to my hearts content.
Interesting bit of info that - knowing how far the subject was from the camera. My take would be that you could better ascertain the 'sweet' point of a lens maybe. Who knows - haven't given it too much thought tat the moment.
Quote from: Forseti on January 27, 2010, 10:25:19 PM
Just discovered something else new in LR3beta. If you look in the Metadata panel (Library) under the *lens* info there is now a Subject Distance heading. Quite how LR3beta obtains this information I don't know - maybe it's the area of sharpess focus or embedded camera metadata.
Embedded metadata.
The lens / AF system reports focus distance back to the camera which records it in the exif.
It's buried in the maker specific fields though so not all manufacturers record it and they can record it in different formats. Don't remember ever seeing a sensible one reported by my D3.
Quote from: Jonathan on January 28, 2010, 07:48:37 AM
Embedded metadata.
The lens / AF system reports focus distance back to the camera which records it in the exif.
It's buried in the maker specific fields though so not all manufacturers record it and they can record it in different formats. Don't remember ever seeing a sensible one reported by my D3.
Um, yes - I remember this being mentioned once before on the LR forums a long way back with the response being that this info is embedded within the Makers Notes to which Adobe had no access to, or were not allowed access to it, and therefore the requested feature of LR being able to display the AF point used (as in fact Canon's DPP can) could not be implemented. I've posted on the beta forum in an attempt to obtain more detail on this feature (if possible) as at the moment, like your experience with the D3, it is showing erratic information. I've got some images of distant views with a subject distance of 3.7 metres being indicated, others close up shown as 800mm although in reality more like 5 metres. Very confusing although if it were accurate, or could be made accurate, I could see some benefit in it when reviewing images more so if, like DPP, LR had the ability to show the AF point used.
Have to agree with Forseti on the matter of showing which focus point was used. That is a nice feature in DPP that can some times come in handy.
Still can't find this distance measurement, perhaps Sony does not record it. Actually wouldn't know what to do with it if it did. What on earth do you want to know it for, the same goes for the focus point.
As you say Alan, not sure what use the dsitance would do (at this moment, i'm sure some one with some spare time will find a "valid" use for it) however, the same can not be said for the focus point.
When shooting in auto mode and letting the camera have a stab at selecting a focal point it is interesting to know what it has selected so you can understand its thinking.
Focus point on all my Canons have been configured to allow me to set or over ride the 'camera's focus point(s) by use of the joy stick - thus allowing me to be sure that ,most times, the desired subject is actually the thing in focus and not what the camera would choose.
This is also useful when shooting and focusing through 'live view' mode because then we get no indication as to if anything achieved a successful focus until the picture came out to our satisfaction or if not - then we can go and have a look to see which part of the picture did achieve focus.
I appreciate that i am talking about a Canon specific point here - but it is a feature that i have found to be extremely useful when composing many of my shots - and know other Canon users who also find it useful.
I think to some degree it depends on the subject type you work with and how you process the acquired image as to whether it is of any use - but i think it would acquire a similar status as bracket mode for most of those supplied with it.
With the Canon 40D only the centre AF point is of the cross-hair type and so is supposedly more accurate. With the 7D all 19 AF points are cross-hair types. If I were to select say for example the centre AF point and focus on someone's eyes only to discover later that the nose had turned out pin sharp this would possibly indicate that the lens is front focusing a bit. If we were taking one image and immediately reviewing it on the PC it probably wouldn't be quite so important, but when reviewing a few hundred maybe having the ability to check which AF point was selected might help in sorting out went wrong.
The so-called subject distance I'm not too sure of at the moment - it's early days, but if I shoot an image of a distant lighthouse and later this panel indicates to me it was 999.9 metres away that would be neat. I don't know why exactly but give me time and I'll dream up something I'm sure. It's like the ability to tag GPS coordinates isn't it.............just another toy. :2funny:
I'm not altogether convinced this beta is up to scratch at the moment - reoccuring problems with Canon reds as was the case with much earlier versions of LR. I'm editing one image in exactly the same way in both LR3beta and LR2.6 and in comparing the two the reds are completely over saturated in LR3beta. I'll upload an image in a minute (a cat) and with this I've had to knock down the saturation to minus 15 to not make the flowers appear as painted blobs.
I seem to recall on one of the Experience Seminars that Canon under saturate their reds and the most realistic setting is to amend the in camera colour scheme i think to A2, B2 which adjusted the reds a bit.
(Must get my notes out again).
Any way - the point was made that Adobe set about creating an automatic adjustment to Canon images to correct this where as of course in DPP you get exactly what the camera captures -one of the reasons why traditionally DPP was always favoured over Adobe for working with RAW files.
With LR2 Adobe added a "faithful" import option that tries to match the manufacturer settings more accurately and it does quite a good job. One of the reasons i gave LR2 a go. If memory serves they are not listed as finished adjustments but more of a 'beta' that can be downloaded and added in.
I just remember Jonathan pointing it with the release of LR2 out and giving it a go and thinking - wow - almost as good as DPP but with the work flow and cataloguing benefits. It's been a while now...
Just had a quick look - it's in the Camera Calibration section in the Develop Module. Any way - give it a go and see what difference it makes.
Over the weekend I've been playing with L/r3 a bit more and found the facilty that allows you to paste images on to one page, it's in the print module , custom package, very useful.
I've got to prepare a panel of six images for a forthcoming exhibition and as always it's bit of a puzzle which six hang together nicely, and in what order. This facility makes it so easy to see and change if necessary at an instant.
I expect there are other programmes that allow you to do this but I'm not aware of them'
I've also enjoyed whiling away the time putting music on the slide programme.
I've just found a new tool - or certainly an update of a tool in the develop section.
The noise feature - just another slider i know, but it's quite effective, especially when working in B&W.
Again, not a seller in itself, but it is certainly on the plus side.
Lightroom 3 Beta 2 is now available for download http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom3/ with additional details here http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2010/03/lightroom_3_beta_2_now_availab.html :tup:
excellent news - i'll give that one a try on the iMac :tup:
Hi, So when LR 3 actually comes out for sale will all my keywords ect be transfer'd from the beta? The beta is the first time i have used LR
OK, a few points to note.
The import dialogue box is an enormous improvement over the previous one. Whilst 'familiar' with the last one - this one i felt is much more configurable. i can see me having an import preset configured fairly quickly.
The Watermarking option is an improvement as well, and i've already made 9 preset watermarking presets. Yes - obvious i know but hey, it works for me and i'm only experimenting.
The speed is much quicker than the last version, well it appears to be at the moment, but of course this is how it started last time for me :-\
The B&W seems as per the previous version, a huge improvement over LR2.6 and it's 'Grey Scale' option.
Files still have that crisper look about them over LR2.6 but i thought the thumbnails were built much quicker than in the previous version.
Haven't tried to export though i did find the configuring of EHD's to be a breeze, even for use as a working drive. The Flickr option worked ok last time so i'll configure it to work and see how it responds later on. If it had a Clickpic option i'd be a happier bunny but you could go on for ever with ideal features! Haven't tried the print option either though i will take Alan's previous comments on board and give it a thrashing.
Well, that was my 15 minute test!
If memory serves, you were instructed to not create any catalogues of substance as these would not be savable to the new version - the same would apply to edits made to pictures. Those upgrading from LR1 or LR2 would get to transfer all their keywords, catalogues etc...
I'm highly delighted with the incorporation of tethered shooting, which until this release wasn't possible on a windows 64 bit machine.
Harry
oh yeah - forgot about that. Noticed it on the import menu.
Gonna have to give it a go!
This sounds interesting - originally posted by Lee Jay on the LR3 beta forum.
LR3 beta 2 has lens blur tool
I don't think this is in the release notes so let me tell you how it works. (This is all for PV 2010).***
If you go to the local corrections and apply sharpening from -1 to -50, it'll remove the capture sharpening you've applied in the detail panel. At -50 and with a mask density at 100, it'll remove it all. From -51 to -100 the tool becomes a lens blur tool with both radius and strength increasing as you move towards -100.
There are two options to getting more than you can get at -100. 1) Add some -Clarity too. 2) Add more pins with more -51 to -100 sharpness and 100% density masks on top of each other. The effect will get stronger but taper off after a few -100s are all on top of each other.
*** presumably PV 2010 means the new process setting found under Settings > Process.
;D ;D ;D :(
Why didn't I think of that? :legit:
Quote from: Forseti on March 23, 2010, 09:11:25 PM
This sounds interesting - originally posted by Lee Jay on the LR3 beta forum.
LR3 beta 2 has lens blur tool
I don't think this is in the release notes so let me tell you how it works. (This is all for PV 2010).***
If you go to the local corrections and apply sharpening from -1 to -50, it'll remove the capture sharpening you've applied in the detail panel. At -50 and with a mask density at 100, it'll remove it all. From -51 to -100 the tool becomes a lens blur tool with both radius and strength increasing as you move towards -100.
There are two options to getting more than you can get at -100. 1) Add some -Clarity too. 2) Add more pins with more -51 to -100 sharpness and 100% density masks on top of each other. The effect will get stronger but taper off after a few -100s are all on top of each other.
*** presumably PV 2010 means the new process setting found under Settings > Process.
No disrespect for your technical knowledge but are we photographers or computer programmers... :2funny:...... :legit:
Quote from: Dave on March 24, 2010, 12:22:44 AM
No disrespect for your technical knowledge but are we photographers or computer programmers... :2funny:...... :legit:
Why is it that helpful threads about techie stuff always degenerate into "well, you shouldn't be doing that"?
Cue debate on whether you can create lens blur in a darkroom (which usually makes people think it's OK) by jiggling the flange nurdle on the whatsamatron. And then an argument about how anyone who uses the flange nurdle should be burnt at the stake because it wasn't introduced until 1937.
Oh and for the record I have more qualifications in computer programming than I do in photography ;)
Quote from: Dave on March 24, 2010, 12:22:44 AM
No disrespect for your technical knowledge but are we photographers or computer programmers... :2funny:...... :legit:
Computer programming is the art of turning an action into a set of instructions for a computer to understand.
So, when you think about taking a photograph just consider how much thought goes into "pressing that button" - you'd be surprised how much technical that action can be.
If you think it is just:
point camera at subject, select iso, select aperture, select shutter value, hold camera steady, press button
then i'm afraid you'd be very much mistaken.
We've forgotten to add in selection of lens for shot, camera shake prevention, what is the aim of the shot, do we need to compensate for exposure, do we need a flash gun, do we need more than 1 flash gun, how should the flash guns be configured, have we got focus lock, which focus point should we use, which part of the scene needs to be most in focus - and on it goes.
I expect Jonathan has got a smile on is face reading that and thinking back to the "how to make a cup of tea" exercise they used as an example of what computer programming is all about.
There is no doubt that Abers philosophy of 'ignorance is bliss' covers most areas, but some times, a little bit of techie stuff can go a long way - it's just whether that techie stuff is relevant to you 8)
There is no doubt that Abers philosophy of 'ignorance is bliss' covers most areas, but some times, a little bit of techie stuff can go a long way - it's just whether that techie stuff is relevant to you 8)
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One day perhaps, one day. I know what it does and how to use it but how it does it is of no interest whatsoever. ???
Quote from: Forseti on March 23, 2010, 09:11:25 PM
This sounds interesting - originally posted by Lee Jay on the LR3 beta forum.
LR3 beta 2 has lens blur tool
I don't think this is in the release notes so let me tell you how it works. (This is all for PV 2010).***
If you go to the local corrections and apply sharpening from -1 to -50, it'll remove the capture sharpening you've applied in the detail panel. At -50 and with a mask density at 100, it'll remove it all. From -51 to -100 the tool becomes a lens blur tool with both radius and strength increasing as you move towards -100.
There are two options to getting more than you can get at -100. 1) Add some -Clarity too. 2) Add more pins with more -51 to -100 sharpness and 100% density masks on top of each other. The effect will get stronger but taper off after a few -100s are all on top of each other.
*** presumably PV 2010 means the new process setting found under Settings > Process.
Yes - a lengthy instruction to achieve an effect extremely simply - but i don't know of a simpler way of writing it.
Something Alan might make use of oddly enough
As far as photography is concerned I would sooner spend more time behind the camera than in front of the computer. I have quite a few electrical & electronics qualifications but my point is that sometimes the computer editing side as much as it is needed can begin to take over..... :legit:
Your point is well made for many
For others of course the sitting in from of the computer is as much of the fun as finding and taking the shot.
I think i'm some where in the middle - most of my efforts are geared up to getting the picture right in the first place, with minor tweaks in LR. But some times, i see an image that i know will be processed considerably more, not often but enough to know i will make more use of these tools than yourself.
Myself - i'm just hoping they add the new 'content aware" feature demonstrated in CS5 as part of LR3 - then i could make do with a simpler and cheaper upgrade path!